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ladies and gentlemen welcome back to the

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den of lore I'm just gonna adjust my

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because there we go yes it is a bottle

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of lagovolin 16.

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um it's a special occasion because I've

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got a special Gentleman on the show but

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first before we begin uh to whomever

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needs to read this let me tell you a

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story about the amazing creatures that

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once roamed the Earth dinosaurs mammoths

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and other Giants of folklore were once

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rulers of the planet

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these Majestic beasts had everything

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going for them but still they couldn't

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stand the test of time they perished why

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you ask because they couldn't adapt

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to the changing circumstances of the

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world

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they refused to learn

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refuse to change

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and refused to evolve so if you're

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feeling stuck in life

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learn from these creatures learn to

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adapt to change

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to evolve don't be like them don't let

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the changing world around you get the

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better of you persevere learn grow

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those who don't evolve don't survive

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don't be like those creatures

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don't go extinct at least or so they say

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Denver Michaels is an author researcher

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and podcast host with a passion for

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cryptozoology myths and legends he is

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authored several it says several here

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many many several of books on the

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subject including people are seeing

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something a survey of the league

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monsters in the United States and Canada

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which explores the phenomena of lake

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monsters of North America

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Michael's work is interdisciplinary

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drawing on a large range of fields

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including biology zoology and

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anthropology his research is well known

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for its innovative and thought-provoking

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approach to the study of cryptozoology

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and has received both praise and some

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criticism from scholars in the field

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in addition to his writing Michaels is

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one of the hosts of the podcast the

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I've been using I'm a one-man show with

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very very good helper in Audrey in the

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back and you know we're still working

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The Kinks out I've been using chat GTP

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seeing how that's helped us save me time

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as they say it can generate some wrong

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answers either way

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so Michael's is the whole stuff the 10

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for Michael's podcast uh where he

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continues to explore the mysterious and

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unexplained he's also appeared as a

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guest on various other podcasts and

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believe it or not it generated this

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including den of lore where he is about

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to discuss his work Sonic extent

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dinosaurs mammoths and other Giants of

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folklore Denver Michael's work has

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contributed significantly to the growing

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body of literature seeking to understand

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the mysteries of the world and his

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Innovative and interdisciplinary

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approach to the study of critical

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zoology has garnered the attention of

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Scholars and enthusiasts alike ladies

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gentlemen and pineapples of all ages

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please grab your scotch and Pull It

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cheer up to the fire

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and welcome Denver back to the den of

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lore

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cheers too good sir

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yeah that was uh that was a nice intro I

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mean I've I've not really heard um

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that many people give me all all that

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much praise or say I'm Innovative or

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anything like that but I mean hell man

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I'll take it you know I I told the

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it's it's you got you got to keep it

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spicy it's

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so you know if there is criticism there

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may be some criticism out there there

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there's a lot of Praise

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um I like the last time we talked you

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were still in Virginia

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um yeah that was a long time ago

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obviously a lot has happened I was

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trying to think um all the years now

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that I'm getting older all the years are

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starting to run together so I mean like

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when was the last and was that like 2018

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think it was actually 2019. I'm fairly

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certain Laird was the last one I could

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be wrong

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but yeah I know it's been a while

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there's it's been a while it's been a

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just trying to remember when the last

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time we got together was and uh yeah

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it's been quite a few years now

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I know the last time we got together we

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had been talking about

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books that have been coming out and I

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know that that like at that point in

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time there was a lot of work going into

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um uh men of renown which believe it or

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not is actually available in Walmart in

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Canada sold out at this point uh which

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is kind of cool that's cool yeah who who

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it's a popular subject and you know like

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from from all those time whether you

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know we're talking back in the early

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2015 days when we were reviewing

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sandwiches or you know doing crypto

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corner and I think the third or fourth

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best video on the channel was our video

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on the Tasmanian devil and we did a

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couple of those yeah

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got a little hate mail too but that was

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that was kind of fun actually yeah the

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hate mail was kind of I don't even

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remember what the Hitman was about it's

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I can't either I think it was something

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jackasses are stupid you know just yeah

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just your base you know people on

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platforms they've uh they've you know

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all got the wrong type of crowds but um

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the nastiest of the uh or can be you

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because I was falling Along on a live

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chat on this one podcast I was on and I

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what were they saying like I just you

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guy's a stupid idiot what you you know

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such a logical way and you can write

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was it was the podcast I think that

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of Gamers I don't know maybe they have

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anyway long story short I'm just talking

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about how uh well kids suck people in

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the YouTube comments can get after you a

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little bit well you're in a safe place

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now Denver uh yeah I've I've I did as I

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many times I my mom's like well what are

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the show at 10 o'clock she's like really

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yeah so guess who's on what Denver she's

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of running gags and I love it

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you know the at least for the the dozens

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and dozens have who have realized that

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we're back on the air because you know

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work be working family family and they

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come first so it's like six weeks of

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now it's like okay well you got to keep

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it fun and people will get into the

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um yeah so within like that time frame a

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who you are I Know Who You Are yeah

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right I know I know

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at least I used to know what kind of

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truck you drive I Used to Know You know

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what uh what your favorite lunch meats

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cargo pants with pockets on the side or

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what have you when you're when you're

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um dark khaki by the way uh

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most people don't know so like what

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exactly got you into this entire crazy

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world of cryptozoology knowing exactly

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how well it's an interesting bunch

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strange that uh you know someone that

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kid or or a UFO sighting as a kid or you

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particular thing that that pushed me in

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um unexplained things uh you know I

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anything that uh teachers or authority

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figures would tell me I remember I

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remember I was like seven years old one

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time at uh at the dinner table and

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um I don't know what provoked me to do

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this you know but I just kind of like

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looked at my dad and I'm like you know

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you know of course he didn't want to uh

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hear my seven-year-old uh dissertation

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on uh pre-columbian contact in the

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Americas but you know the long story

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yeah they used and they followed the

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coast damn it

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it's like it's like really Dad it's I

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know okay it's not that hard I mean if

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you're gonna tell me that um

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you know Polynesians uh traveled 2 000

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miles in canoes to settle Hawaii

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why couldn't anybody have been in

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Virginia or Texas or Florida you know

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and uh 1200 A.D right I mean why why

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couldn't they it it's stupid to think

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that it it couldn't have happened it's

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like we don't

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I'm gonna say like we got a pretty good

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idea as far as

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um

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like we got a pretty good idea as far as

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means mainstream Academia will go and

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you know with when it comes to

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Alternative history there's going to be

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diverging fields and sometimes it's

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plausible sometimes it's way out of left

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field it it's like you got to follow the

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evidence I've always found

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um and even if that evidence it seems a

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little bit crazy or you got a hunch it's

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like is it logical is it possible can we

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is it provable is there at least

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something that can link it to it like

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what you know what's the chain that gets

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you back there if you're just going to

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say no completely and not at least

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entertain the possibility you know even

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if your whole thing is to try and prove

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it wrong if you're proving it wrong

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based on

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you know

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established tenants uh

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you know like sometimes primary research

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is going to be is going to Trump that as

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far as comparing the two

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um I know with

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like with your investigations especially

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when you're dealing with historic

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creatures I

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did you have any goal in mind when you

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first started out or is more just a like

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hey I'm gonna do this and you know like

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oh somebody said well why don't you

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write a book about it or if somebody on

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a dare said I want you to put some words

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down and just kind of snowballed from

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there

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well really

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um

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like around my 40th from now to the

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realm of 40th birthday man I guess that

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kind of had luck

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uh like a midlife price I didn't uh I

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didn't go buying us buy a sports car

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start running around with younger women

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or nothing like that but I got really

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I really got kind of depressed because I

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was um you know it and oh I'm sure

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pretty much all of your listeners can

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relate to it you know you're just uh

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you're in the grind you're you know

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you're just working working you know I'm

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working a job I'm you know making good

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money

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but it's just it's just not fulfilling

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it just it just don't enjoy anything I

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do you know you just you know watching

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the clock you know for the weekend the

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weekend comes

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you're right by it by about two o'clock

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on Sunday I'm getting depressed because

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I gotta go start it all over again

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just really you know just really got in

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a bad place and I mean I was there for I

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mean like a year and a half man and

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I don't know I don't know something just

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kind of just kind of clicked in me that

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um

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you know like I wanted to start writing

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you know that's just really I I just

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feel like

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um

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that's what I'm happy doing that that's

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what I enjoy doing I I just you know you

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know even even when I'm just writing um

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you know writing blog posts for my

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website right I mean I just enjoy doing

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it whether a whole lot of people read it

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or not it really doesn't even matter I

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just I just kind of have fun find doing

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that and so I that's sort of what led me

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to start um

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you know pursuing the writing part and

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as far as um

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you know what I wanted to write about I

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mean there was no question in my mind

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that I wanted to um you know write about

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some of these unexplained things that I

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had um really kind of studied uh you

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know my whole life really and you know

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my first book was about lake monsters

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because

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um I don't know just it's just to me out

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of all of the uh Cryptid creatures out

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there right that's the one that they

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that could really you could really see

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it existing without

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um

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you know having to throw any

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Supernatural interpretations or whatever

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you know like a lot of your Bigfoot

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reports you know people talk about it

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disappearing or glowing red eyes this or

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that but you know these lake monsters

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and and sea serpents with with all of

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the water we have and and and just all

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of the

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you know we don't really know about uh

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once into lurking in the depths and um

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there's just such a similarity all over

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the world in these reports that just

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seems like out of all of these

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unexplained creatures out there it could

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be the most likely to exist and so um

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you know I just started writing about it

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and um you know from there I

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you know picked up other topics and blah

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blah blah

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William who's in the chat because he's a

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gentleman and a scholar like like

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ourselves uh he and he says I know

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what's really in the program

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but he's got to ask what are your

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thoughts about the efforts to bring back

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extinct species like you know the dodo

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um I I'm not a fan of it

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um you know I think once it uh and even

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if it's uh even if it's humans fault

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right

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um just not a big fan I mean like like

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what could possibly go wrong right if we

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uh

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if we're bringing stuff back that's been

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extinct for hundreds or thousands of

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years I mean it just dodo's Delicious

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from what I understand yeah I just you

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know you you just I'm just not a big fan

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of this stuff because you you know

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there's there's always that law of

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unintended consequences and you just you

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know you just you just never know I mean

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you know just when they um

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you know animals that are on the brink

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of Extinction and then they um

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you know they they reintroduce them in

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places I mean you know whether that's

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good bad or indifferent it brings a

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whole host of um

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you know can bring a whole host of

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issues and things like you know how they

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re-introduce wolves and and like out in

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uh Montana and stuff I mean the ranchers

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out there hate them and

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you know even even the Bison I mean that

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can affect your uh that they've

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reintroduced in places that can affect

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cattle herds and things like that so

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there's just all these things and I I

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just don't know that it's um it's really

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our place to um

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you know bring back herds of woolly

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mammoths or this or that it's like did

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anybody watch

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like how many Jurassic Park movies are

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there now

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it's like did you did nobody [\h__\h]

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watch Jurassic Park because there's

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nobody watched the island of Dr Moreau I

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mean like all you nobody watches the

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yeah I mean I

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I saying it's a bad thing just

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personally me

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I would like to see that money maybe

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like diverted to like I don't know

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cancer research or something call me

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crazy oh

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well here you go you know it makes a lot

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of sense uh you get a lot I'm not even

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sure if some of these are like

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educational or if they're being

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um you know privately funded if yeah

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it's it's kind of like you know if

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somebody wants to do something crazy

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with their money can you really yeah

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tell them to stop it's at the same time

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like you know mandates are kind of cool

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uh I'm not even sure what a you know

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great awk is I'm sure it's like a it's

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great and maybe it makes an ox sound I I

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don't have a Jamie so I can't bring

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stuff up unfortunately but

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yeah like was there like a creature

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specifically I know you were looking at

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lake monsters like was there like a was

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it Nessie was it Ogopogo like well what

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really got your your attention

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well I think it was the fact that uh

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that there are it's not one in

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particular

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um like I can really point to um

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you know uh like like when I was a kid

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in high school you know I used to watch

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Unsolved Mysteries every Wednesday night

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that that was my deal you know I guess I

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was a junior in high school

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and uh one of the uh one of the you know

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they had those like three-part segments

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and one of them was on Yogo Pogo and

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something that really jumped out at me

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you know they did a graphic

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and it showed how like put these little

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red dots on the map all over the world

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and how they were like um you know 60

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different uh locations where these uh

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you know lake monsters were uh you know

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were being spotted

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and I think that really for whatever

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reason that really stuck with me and and

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you know as I got older and

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you know read more about it kind of

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learn more about it yeah you could see

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that it's uh you know it's it's it's

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pretty much a worldwide uh phenomenon

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and there's so much similarity between

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say the Loch Ness monster and uh Tahoe

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Tessie out in out in California you know

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like champ

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uh up in um you know Vermont New York

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it's it's pretty much the same and um

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so it really kind of um

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made me think that there's you know

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possibly uh you know a population of

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these things is do you think it's also

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possible like

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got to be a little subjective although

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I'm a lot calmer in my olds

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sleep deprived age

525
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um you know yes I think he warned me

526
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about this like it's like Chris wait

527
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um it don't get no easier either

528
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no but it's it's part of FYI oh it's

529
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it's not about it it's the journey not

530
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it's a Brandon Sanders yeah it's it's a

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yeah Stormlight Archive it's a fantasy

532
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High fantasy series go go read it people

533
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it's it's fantastic

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um

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what about sturgeon like they're ancient

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they're like basically the final you

537
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know the the final form of this Giants

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uh fish

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boss

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or anime character it's like you know it

541
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takes just like Frieza in Dragon Ball Z

542
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it took how many millions of years for

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this thing to evolve into its final form

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and these things can grow massive so is

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that possibility that people are seeing

546
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that like or like do we Act is is it

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more likely that there are sturgeon that

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have been alive for let's say like 150

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200 years have never been caught and

550
00:22:53,630 --> 00:22:50,220
they're just so big that they could snap

551
00:22:58,190 --> 00:22:53,640
a line and they're just these honking

552
00:23:01,970 --> 00:22:58,200
like 10 15 feet massive things and or is

553
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:01,980
it more of a like a dinosaur or you know

554
00:23:06,529 --> 00:23:04,320
water creature that's just

555
00:23:09,490 --> 00:23:06,539
left over and found some suitable deep

556
00:23:13,930 --> 00:23:09,500
water that is left alone

557
00:23:16,370 --> 00:23:13,940
I mean I think it's the latter but yeah

558
00:23:19,130 --> 00:23:16,380
are some of these things are some of

559
00:23:22,010 --> 00:23:19,140
these sightings sturgeons yeah sure

560
00:23:24,169 --> 00:23:22,020
right I mean absolutely

561
00:23:27,289 --> 00:23:24,179
um and then you know down in the in the

562
00:23:29,690 --> 00:23:27,299
southern us yeah some of these sightings

563
00:23:31,669 --> 00:23:29,700
are probably alligator gar you know I

564
00:23:33,409 --> 00:23:31,679
mean those things get you know 10 12

565
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:33,419
feet long and you know the sturgeons

566
00:23:36,789 --> 00:23:35,520
you're talking about my uh my daughter

567
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:36,799
her um

568
00:23:44,930 --> 00:23:42,240
ex-boyfriend saw him uh last year and uh

569
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:44,940
he showed me this picture this sturgeon

570
00:23:49,549 --> 00:23:47,520
he caught out in um out in Idaho I mean

571
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:49,559
the thing was like

572
00:23:54,770 --> 00:23:52,320
it was over 10 feet long I mean like

573
00:23:57,169 --> 00:23:54,780
like three of them were holding it up I

574
00:24:00,289 --> 00:23:57,179
mean it's just just enormous massive so

575
00:24:03,890 --> 00:24:00,299
yeah you you that is absolutely a part

576
00:24:07,789 --> 00:24:03,900
of it but you know to to blame the whole

577
00:24:09,770 --> 00:24:07,799
phenomenon on that I I it just it just

578
00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:09,780
doesn't uh work for me that's kind of

579
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:11,460
like how um

580
00:24:17,149 --> 00:24:15,360
they just put this uh study out

581
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:17,159
um I just started reading about it like

582
00:24:22,610 --> 00:24:19,919
oh probably last week how they're saying

583
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:22,620
you know areas with black bears

584
00:24:26,590 --> 00:24:24,960
experience you know more Bigfoot

585
00:24:29,330 --> 00:24:26,600
sightings and you know

586
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:29,340
the whole conclusion is you know that

587
00:24:35,149 --> 00:24:32,880
all your Bigfoot sightings are are bears

588
00:24:37,130 --> 00:24:35,159
well I mean I could have told you that

589
00:24:40,130 --> 00:24:37,140
there's more Bigfoot sightings where

590
00:24:43,010 --> 00:24:40,140
bears live because guess what

591
00:24:45,230 --> 00:24:43,020
see there's cover there's if a bear can

592
00:24:48,049 --> 00:24:45,240
live there then guess what then then you

593
00:24:50,690 --> 00:24:48,059
know uh uh you know seven foot tall

594
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:50,700
bipedal eight could live there too

595
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:54,000
but yeah I mean bears are absolutely

596
00:24:58,250 --> 00:24:55,679
misidentified

597
00:24:59,330 --> 00:24:58,260
I mean no question and and you know what

598
00:25:02,810 --> 00:24:59,340
that's

599
00:25:05,450 --> 00:25:02,820
a lot of your uh your Sasquatch tracks

600
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:05,460
um that's a double step where uh where a

601
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:08,159
bear likes kind of like it's back Paul

602
00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:11,520
steps in and you know kind of looks like

603
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:13,919
a uh supposed Bigfoot track I mean it

604
00:25:19,850 --> 00:25:16,320
happened that's absolutely a part of it

605
00:25:22,370 --> 00:25:19,860
but it's not a good explanation for the

606
00:25:23,630 --> 00:25:22,380
phenomenon as a whole and that's what

607
00:25:26,930 --> 00:25:23,640
I'm talking about here with the lake

608
00:25:28,430 --> 00:25:26,940
monsters yes and and and like with your

609
00:25:31,789 --> 00:25:28,440
sturgeons

610
00:25:34,130 --> 00:25:31,799
there's a a lot of reports of you know

611
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:34,140
these lake monsters where sturgeons

612
00:25:38,990 --> 00:25:36,960
don't even live in the waters so if it

613
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:39,000
is a sturgeon in some of those cases

614
00:25:43,970 --> 00:25:42,000
well then that's so yeah that's a pretty

615
00:25:45,890 --> 00:25:43,980
cool thing too that there's a sturge in

616
00:25:47,870 --> 00:25:45,900
here where there's not supposed to be

617
00:25:49,970 --> 00:25:47,880
but you know sturgeons they don't have a

618
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:49,980
have a neck that sticks out of the water

619
00:25:55,909 --> 00:25:52,320
four feet in the air like some of these

620
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:55,919
reports so yeah I think it explains a

621
00:26:02,930 --> 00:25:59,760
lot but it doesn't You Know cover the

622
00:26:05,630 --> 00:26:02,940
whole thing you know I I had a in a

623
00:26:09,049 --> 00:26:05,640
former life I had a former life a couple

624
00:26:11,330 --> 00:26:09,059
of jobs ago uh very very great company

625
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:11,340
um good people I still talk to a lot of

626
00:26:18,610 --> 00:26:15,600
them there one of my co-workers uh was

627
00:26:21,769 --> 00:26:18,620
excellent she used to take walks around

628
00:26:23,330 --> 00:26:21,779
the park area which was fairly you know

629
00:26:25,490 --> 00:26:23,340
fairly wooded and I think that was near

630
00:26:26,930 --> 00:26:25,500
one of either the lakes or the rivers

631
00:26:28,190 --> 00:26:26,940
within you know the Northern parts of

632
00:26:29,390 --> 00:26:28,200
the city or you know it's like at the

633
00:26:31,549 --> 00:26:29,400
main river going through it and several

634
00:26:34,850 --> 00:26:31,559
rivers that break off and whether

635
00:26:37,549 --> 00:26:34,860
they're part of the same Source anyway I

636
00:26:39,890 --> 00:26:37,559
kind of digress on this uh you know she

637
00:26:42,049 --> 00:26:39,900
was very very disturbed because she was

638
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:42,059
attacked like something huge

639
00:26:47,570 --> 00:26:46,080
came out of the the forest cover and

640
00:26:50,330 --> 00:26:47,580
she's like I don't know what it was it

641
00:26:53,210 --> 00:26:50,340
was this alien-like creature and you

642
00:26:54,890 --> 00:26:53,220
know it just it just got real big and

643
00:26:57,289 --> 00:26:54,900
then it ran at me

644
00:26:59,149 --> 00:26:57,299
and you know she just took off like her

645
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:59,159
you know took off like a rocket ran back

646
00:27:02,210 --> 00:27:00,960
home and it was saying like I was

647
00:27:04,850 --> 00:27:02,220
attacked by a monster an alien or

648
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:04,860
something and it's like yeah okay we'll

649
00:27:10,610 --> 00:27:07,200
just describe it and you know she went

650
00:27:12,350 --> 00:27:10,620
through it and it ended up at least it's

651
00:27:15,230 --> 00:27:12,360
a possibility that it still was an alien

652
00:27:19,450 --> 00:27:15,240
or some type of chupacabra-like creature

653
00:27:22,490 --> 00:27:19,460
but in our area wild turkeys are

654
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:22,500
extremely common to the point where in

655
00:27:27,649 --> 00:27:24,960
downtown they're a pest

656
00:27:29,870 --> 00:27:27,659
the pigeons are scared of them uh and as

657
00:27:33,289 --> 00:27:29,880
we as anybody knows who lives anywhere

658
00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:33,299
near some type of Turkey

659
00:27:39,529 --> 00:27:36,080
Refuge they're extremely territorial

660
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:39,539
like they can be [\h__\h] yes and

661
00:27:43,810 --> 00:27:42,000
aggressive yeah they will get larger and

662
00:27:47,390 --> 00:27:43,820
they will charge at you and they're fast

663
00:27:50,269 --> 00:27:47,400
so yeah that's a possibility it's like

664
00:27:52,370 --> 00:27:50,279
misidentification could happen just you

665
00:27:54,350 --> 00:27:52,380
got fear you've got adrenaline you have

666
00:27:56,390 --> 00:27:54,360
again I'm playing devil's advocate here

667
00:27:59,450 --> 00:27:56,400
but at the same time yeah there's always

668
00:28:01,789 --> 00:27:59,460
that that case and I and I'm with you a

669
00:28:03,950 --> 00:28:01,799
thousand percent on that stuff but you

670
00:28:07,850 --> 00:28:03,960
know here here's kind of how I look at

671
00:28:09,710 --> 00:28:07,860
it like I I call it you know and this

672
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:09,720
isn't anything Innovative other people

673
00:28:15,649 --> 00:28:12,240
have said the same thing I call it the

674
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:15,659
five percent or maybe 10 rule

675
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:20,880
yeah probably 90 to 95 of this stuff is

676
00:28:26,090 --> 00:28:23,120
a logical explanation right

677
00:28:29,450 --> 00:28:26,100
misidentification this or that it's the

678
00:28:32,090 --> 00:28:29,460
five percent it's the ten percent so

679
00:28:33,289 --> 00:28:32,100
when you have a guy

680
00:28:35,870 --> 00:28:33,299
um

681
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:35,880
you know that's a that's an avid Hunter

682
00:28:40,610 --> 00:28:38,640
I mean I know guys

683
00:28:43,490 --> 00:28:40,620
I mean hell I used to be like I don't

684
00:28:45,890 --> 00:28:43,500
hunt anymore but you know back in my uh

685
00:28:47,810 --> 00:28:45,900
early 20s you know huge Hunter you know

686
00:28:49,490 --> 00:28:47,820
especially bow hunter I used to hunt all

687
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:49,500
the time but I mean I know guys that are

688
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,840
so into hunting they've like ruined

689
00:28:55,549 --> 00:28:53,520
their marriages I'm not kidding because

690
00:28:57,529 --> 00:28:55,559
that's like oh they're just never home

691
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:57,539
all they want to do is like hunt deer

692
00:29:02,930 --> 00:29:00,480
and and stuff like that so when when

693
00:29:06,590 --> 00:29:02,940
people that like

694
00:29:08,990 --> 00:29:06,600
you you know ruin their marriages and

695
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:09,000
and like like you know I know people

696
00:29:12,649 --> 00:29:10,559
that have like lost their job because

697
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:12,659
like nope I'm I'm going deer hunting I'm

698
00:29:16,610 --> 00:29:14,880
not I'm not going into work on Monday

699
00:29:18,409 --> 00:29:16,620
you know I mean I know people like that

700
00:29:20,810 --> 00:29:18,419
and and you know when when guys like

701
00:29:22,970 --> 00:29:20,820
that are out in the woods and then spot

702
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:22,980
one of these these creatures and they

703
00:29:28,430 --> 00:29:25,919
won't go hunting anymore because of it

704
00:29:30,590 --> 00:29:28,440
okay they didn't see a black bear you

705
00:29:33,470 --> 00:29:30,600
know what I'm saying they know what a

706
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:33,480
bear looks like yeah so it's when you

707
00:29:38,450 --> 00:29:35,760
get those kind of reports or you know

708
00:29:40,370 --> 00:29:38,460
just like real detailed reports where

709
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:40,380
you know that it you know it couldn't

710
00:29:45,950 --> 00:29:44,159
have been a bear or or you know whatever

711
00:29:47,870 --> 00:29:45,960
the uh the mystery we're talking about

712
00:29:51,529 --> 00:29:47,880
do these kind of reports make it more

713
00:29:53,570 --> 00:29:51,539
fun because even if the source is coming

714
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:53,580
from you know as you said it's it's a

715
00:29:58,669 --> 00:29:55,679
guy who he'll skip work and you know

716
00:30:00,169 --> 00:29:58,679
he'll let his marriage fall apart for uh

717
00:30:01,549 --> 00:30:00,179
you know going hunting and he's always

718
00:30:07,010 --> 00:30:01,559
out in the woods and you know with his

719
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:09,830
you know it's like is here is it hearing

720
00:30:14,029 --> 00:30:11,760
the stories is it like trying to be able

721
00:30:16,430 --> 00:30:14,039
to ascertain

722
00:30:18,350 --> 00:30:16,440
from the character and the story being

723
00:30:20,750 --> 00:30:18,360
told in the situation whether he's

724
00:30:22,970 --> 00:30:20,760
telling the truth or full of it or not

725
00:30:25,090 --> 00:30:22,980
like how you know when you're doing the

726
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:25,100
investigation

727
00:30:29,690 --> 00:30:27,120
what's your favorite part of at least

728
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:29,700
learning about the story

729
00:30:35,690 --> 00:30:32,880
well well for me I mean I just kind of I

730
00:30:38,269 --> 00:30:35,700
just enjoy you know when people will um

731
00:30:39,710 --> 00:30:38,279
you know reach out to me and and share

732
00:30:42,529 --> 00:30:39,720
their experience with me I mean that's

733
00:30:44,750 --> 00:30:42,539
number one and you know I've had

734
00:30:49,130 --> 00:30:44,760
you know countless people you know

735
00:30:51,230 --> 00:30:49,140
through my website or you know um dming

736
00:30:53,450 --> 00:30:51,240
me on Twitter this or that share their

737
00:30:55,970 --> 00:30:53,460
experiences and you know some sometimes

738
00:30:57,950 --> 00:30:55,980
you can tell that uh a lot of times it's

739
00:31:00,409 --> 00:30:57,960
just somebody that just wants to talk

740
00:31:03,409 --> 00:31:00,419
you know what I mean it's like

741
00:31:07,070 --> 00:31:03,419
you know maybe they're uh maybe maybe

742
00:31:08,750 --> 00:31:07,080
the their experience is uh yeah I don't

743
00:31:10,370 --> 00:31:08,760
know that doesn't sound quite right and

744
00:31:12,409 --> 00:31:10,380
you know maybe you know some people

745
00:31:14,330 --> 00:31:12,419
reach out because they they just want to

746
00:31:15,230 --> 00:31:14,340
chit chat with you and and that that's

747
00:31:18,169 --> 00:31:15,240
cool

748
00:31:21,289 --> 00:31:18,179
but um you know the fact that people

749
00:31:23,389 --> 00:31:21,299
um will trust you enough

750
00:31:25,850 --> 00:31:23,399
you know that I'm not just like gonna

751
00:31:28,010 --> 00:31:25,860
bust out laughing or tell them they're

752
00:31:30,889 --> 00:31:28,020
stupid you know because a lot of people

753
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:30,899
you know have reached out about you know

754
00:31:34,490 --> 00:31:32,640
something they saw out in the water out

755
00:31:36,289 --> 00:31:34,500
in the woods and they're like you know

756
00:31:38,930 --> 00:31:36,299
like you're the first person I've told

757
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:38,940
this to you know I didn't you know or

758
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:42,480
like you know I told my dad about this I

759
00:31:47,810 --> 00:31:44,640
told my wife about this and now I'm

760
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:47,820
telling you you know so to um you know

761
00:31:52,570 --> 00:31:49,679
the fact that people would you know

762
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:52,580
would would kind of trust you with that

763
00:31:57,610 --> 00:31:55,200
that for me is is like is like the

764
00:32:00,529 --> 00:31:57,620
coolest thing about it

765
00:32:03,230 --> 00:32:00,539
like people people want to talk to you

766
00:32:05,810 --> 00:32:03,240
you're you're you're warm you're

767
00:32:08,810 --> 00:32:05,820
inviting you're intelligent you're

768
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:08,820
personable like you know heck who would

769
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:10,320
want to sit down and have a beer and say

770
00:32:14,690 --> 00:32:12,720
like man this crazy [\h__\h] happened and

771
00:32:16,970 --> 00:32:14,700
you gotta hear this but I swear it

772
00:32:19,610 --> 00:32:16,980
happened you're like hey man hit me you

773
00:32:21,470 --> 00:32:19,620
know non-judgmental I mean I I mean I I

774
00:32:23,930 --> 00:32:21,480
just think it's cool that you know that

775
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:23,940
people would would trust you you know

776
00:32:28,970 --> 00:32:26,640
with that information and and so so for

777
00:32:33,169 --> 00:32:28,980
me right I mean

778
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:33,179
I just work under the assumption that um

779
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:36,240
you know that that most people that that

780
00:32:40,669 --> 00:32:38,399
contact me like that that they're being

781
00:32:43,610 --> 00:32:40,679
genuine you know I'm not just going to

782
00:32:45,889 --> 00:32:43,620
assume somebody's got some some bad

783
00:32:49,850 --> 00:32:45,899
motive or something for contacting me

784
00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:49,860
and usually uh what I found is I I have

785
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:52,559
found a couple stories that I that uh

786
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:56,159
that have uh sort of sort of debunked or

787
00:33:01,549 --> 00:32:58,799
not so much debunked but like yeah this

788
00:33:04,490 --> 00:33:01,559
this guy he's full of [\h__\h] but usually

789
00:33:08,690 --> 00:33:04,500
you know it's never anything

790
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:08,700
what am I trying to say it's you know uh

791
00:33:13,130 --> 00:33:10,799
I'm trying to look for what I'm there's

792
00:33:14,810 --> 00:33:13,140
not there there's no ill intent behind

793
00:33:16,970 --> 00:33:14,820
it I I guess is what I'm trying to say

794
00:33:19,490 --> 00:33:16,980
you know maybe they just uh

795
00:33:21,850 --> 00:33:19,500
you know they're Social Circle isn't big

796
00:33:25,009 --> 00:33:21,860
enough or or and and you know they just

797
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:25,019
enjoyed the email back and forth this or

798
00:33:29,630 --> 00:33:27,360
that you know but I've not seen anything

799
00:33:31,250 --> 00:33:29,640
where there's like any ill intent behind

800
00:33:35,149 --> 00:33:31,260
it I mean because let's face it I mean

801
00:33:37,130 --> 00:33:35,159
you tell me your story I mean I'm not

802
00:33:38,570 --> 00:33:37,140
I'm not going to have you on Dateline

803
00:33:41,529 --> 00:33:38,580
and you know you're not going to get

804
00:33:44,509 --> 00:33:41,539
some lucrative book deal or

805
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:44,519
TV show what about the 10 for Michael's

806
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:46,320
podcast yeah you know what about the

807
00:33:51,169 --> 00:33:49,440
Denver Michael's Podcast chat GTP yes it

808
00:33:52,850 --> 00:33:51,179
doesn't it says he got well man you got

809
00:33:54,649 --> 00:33:52,860
to make it then because the internet's

810
00:33:56,810 --> 00:33:54,659
saying that it's real you got to

811
00:33:58,850 --> 00:33:56,820
manifest yeah that's funny that's funny

812
00:34:01,490 --> 00:33:58,860
that the internet's saying I've got a

813
00:34:03,470 --> 00:34:01,500
podcast I mean how are my ratings is it

814
00:34:12,409 --> 00:34:03,480
successful oh no man they're about as

815
00:34:17,149 --> 00:34:15,530
uh with with Laird was fantastic and the

816
00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:17,159
thing is that the people whom I've been

817
00:34:20,450 --> 00:34:18,240
talking to

818
00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:20,460
like I get I never really lost touch

819
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:22,159
with them they stole my Facebook I still

820
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:24,240
yeah communicated with them it's just

821
00:34:27,290 --> 00:34:25,679
like

822
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:27,300
you know it's when you have enough you

823
00:34:31,790 --> 00:34:29,760
have enough and you're like I got

824
00:34:34,070 --> 00:34:31,800
to change the diapers make sure the kid

825
00:34:36,349 --> 00:34:34,080
stays alive keep the wife relatively

826
00:34:38,270 --> 00:34:36,359
happy or at least you know don't ticker

827
00:34:40,970 --> 00:34:38,280
off on a constant basis

828
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:40,980
those those are priorities

829
00:34:45,470 --> 00:34:42,960
um yeah you know being stalked by

830
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:45,480
Kabbalah Cults because you said

831
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:53,149
as I said like I've matured I've

832
00:34:59,210 --> 00:34:56,399
discovered a lot about myself and it's

833
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:59,220
um it's it's water off a uh you know

834
00:35:03,290 --> 00:35:00,960
great aux back

835
00:35:05,329 --> 00:35:03,300
to a certain extent it's just yeah yeah

836
00:35:07,370 --> 00:35:05,339
people are going to be people uh and

837
00:35:10,730 --> 00:35:07,380
people don't have the criticisms and

838
00:35:14,270 --> 00:35:10,740
yeah you're right and like for me man

839
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:14,280
this stuff should be fun yes

840
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:16,560
uh like like that's why I started

841
00:35:20,930 --> 00:35:18,720
writing these books I you know I didn't

842
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:20,940
start writing books and you know being

843
00:35:26,329 --> 00:35:24,000
on people's podcasts to um

844
00:35:28,730 --> 00:35:26,339
you know to beat my point of view into

845
00:35:31,370 --> 00:35:28,740
people's heads or or you know or or

846
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:31,380
really even try to change anybody's mind

847
00:35:36,349 --> 00:35:33,599
about stuff it's just you know for me

848
00:35:38,450 --> 00:35:36,359
it's fun and then when you

849
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:38,460
get you know when you get to and and

850
00:35:43,730 --> 00:35:41,040
I've done this myself and um you know I

851
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:43,740
I really reigned myself man you know you

852
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:45,119
get to this point you know you see

853
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,000
people out there and they're just

854
00:35:53,690 --> 00:35:50,640
you know they're just hoaxing or they're

855
00:35:55,609 --> 00:35:53,700
just you know so full of it and you just

856
00:35:58,130 --> 00:35:55,619
you just see all this stuff and and you

857
00:36:00,109 --> 00:35:58,140
know if you let it bother you it just

858
00:36:02,030 --> 00:36:00,119
takes all the fun out of it and I just

859
00:36:04,430 --> 00:36:02,040
got to where like you know I really

860
00:36:07,490 --> 00:36:04,440
don't care what people do

861
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:07,500
I'm just going to do what I do

862
00:36:10,910 --> 00:36:09,119
um there's going to be people that like

863
00:36:15,230 --> 00:36:10,920
it there's going to be people that don't

864
00:36:16,970 --> 00:36:15,240
and you know I reach you I reach and you

865
00:36:19,010 --> 00:36:16,980
know who I don't I don't and you know

866
00:36:22,930 --> 00:36:19,020
just like I really don't care I'm just

867
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:22,940
doing my thing and and the moment and

868
00:36:29,630 --> 00:36:26,160
the moment it stops being fun

869
00:36:31,970 --> 00:36:29,640
I'm out I you know I I just I'll just

870
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:31,980
quit I'll take down my website and all

871
00:36:36,050 --> 00:36:34,079
that stuff because I I really got to a

872
00:36:38,770 --> 00:36:36,060
place you know a couple years ago where

873
00:36:40,490 --> 00:36:38,780
where things just stopped being fun

874
00:36:45,250 --> 00:36:40,500
and

875
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:45,260
that's you know

876
00:36:51,050 --> 00:36:48,480
if it's ever not fun anymore if I if I

877
00:36:53,569 --> 00:36:51,060
if I if I lose that childlike wonder

878
00:36:55,849 --> 00:36:53,579
about the Unexplained

879
00:36:58,190 --> 00:36:55,859
and then forget it I'm done I'm I'm

880
00:37:01,609 --> 00:36:58,200
going to yank the website I'm gonna go

881
00:37:02,990 --> 00:37:01,619
on Amazon d-list all my books and you

882
00:37:04,609 --> 00:37:03,000
know you'll you'll never hear from me

883
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:04,619
again which is a good indication that

884
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:07,760
everyone just in case you can go uh

885
00:37:12,890 --> 00:37:09,599
denvermichaels.nets and you can request

886
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:12,900
a sign book from this man right here

887
00:37:17,690 --> 00:37:15,839
so get in case it happens just go there

888
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:17,700
go buy them all

889
00:37:21,770 --> 00:37:19,920
and that's what happened but if it you

890
00:37:25,849 --> 00:37:21,780
know if if things get where it's not fun

891
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:25,859
anymore you know yeah I'm out uh because

892
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:27,119
um

893
00:37:32,930 --> 00:37:30,000
you know it's that that's you know

894
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:32,940
that's that's like why I started started

895
00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:35,040
writing that's that's why I do this

896
00:37:40,190 --> 00:37:36,960
because it's you know it's stuff that I

897
00:37:43,609 --> 00:37:40,200
enjoy and if it's not enjoyable then

898
00:37:45,410 --> 00:37:43,619
what the hell am I doing so uh I I you

899
00:37:47,690 --> 00:37:45,420
know like you're saying how you kind of

900
00:37:50,810 --> 00:37:47,700
went through a like a realignment with

901
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:50,820
yourself I kind of did uh I kind of did

902
00:37:56,690 --> 00:37:53,280
that too in a lot of ways and and you

903
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:56,700
know people that read my my newer books

904
00:38:01,370 --> 00:37:58,800
compared to my older stuff you probably

905
00:38:04,190 --> 00:38:01,380
even see that in in there you know I'm

906
00:38:05,089 --> 00:38:04,200
I'm just uh now speaking of your old

907
00:38:08,270 --> 00:38:05,099
books

908
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:10,250
it's unfortunately I'm gonna show them

909
00:38:15,589 --> 00:38:11,520
to you

910
00:38:18,349 --> 00:38:15,599
in a couple of days one I can I can dig

911
00:38:23,210 --> 00:38:18,359
myself out of out of the uh uh nine to

912
00:38:26,030 --> 00:38:23,220
five and then five two whenever or call

913
00:38:28,609 --> 00:38:26,040
um yeah as anybody knows that uh I

914
00:38:32,270 --> 00:38:28,619
actually designed two of Denver's

915
00:38:34,430 --> 00:38:32,280
um books or book covers which was uh

916
00:38:36,410 --> 00:38:34,440
water Marsha South of the Border and uh

917
00:38:39,530 --> 00:38:36,420
wild and wonderful

918
00:38:41,390 --> 00:38:39,540
and paranormal West Virginia uh which

919
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:41,400
are two of the most phenomenal books I

920
00:38:45,470 --> 00:38:44,880
think in his entire uh Corpus of work

921
00:38:47,810 --> 00:38:45,480
um

922
00:38:49,370 --> 00:38:47,820
so I did I've been working on a little

923
00:38:52,190 --> 00:38:49,380
bit of an updated for a second edition

924
00:38:54,650 --> 00:38:52,200
for the man uh I want to support this

925
00:38:56,329 --> 00:38:54,660
guy 110 he's been there for me since the

926
00:38:58,670 --> 00:38:56,339
beginning of the show he you were our

927
00:39:01,910 --> 00:38:58,680
second guest ever and you put up with a

928
00:39:03,470 --> 00:39:01,920
lot for me and I could and like I've

929
00:39:05,450 --> 00:39:03,480
believed in your work whether I've

930
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:05,460
either agreed with it thought it was

931
00:39:10,849 --> 00:39:09,599
amazing said yeah maybe I I still think

932
00:39:14,270 --> 00:39:10,859
for somebody who's got as much passion

933
00:39:17,630 --> 00:39:14,280
the fact you can do it at a level so

934
00:39:20,329 --> 00:39:17,640
consistently uh for so long

935
00:39:22,849 --> 00:39:20,339
it it deserves

936
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:22,859
better work than I could do then knowing

937
00:39:26,170 --> 00:39:24,960
that I've improved and anything that I

938
00:39:29,150 --> 00:39:26,180
could do to be able to contribute to

939
00:39:31,250 --> 00:39:29,160
your work

940
00:39:32,810 --> 00:39:31,260
after the fact down the road

941
00:39:36,170 --> 00:39:32,820
it's

942
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:36,180
you got to support your friends you got

943
00:39:39,410 --> 00:39:37,440
to support the people who are there for

944
00:39:41,329 --> 00:39:39,420
you and because at the end of the day

945
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:41,339
we're all the community

946
00:39:45,770 --> 00:39:44,160
um and sometimes the community can get

947
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:45,780
fractured sometimes the community can be

948
00:39:49,490 --> 00:39:47,280
crazy sometimes the community can be

949
00:39:54,250 --> 00:39:49,500
drinking Kool-Aid sometimes they could

950
00:40:00,890 --> 00:39:57,530
that's that's the one thing I think we

951
00:40:04,490 --> 00:40:00,900
as like an internet sphere need to get

952
00:40:06,170 --> 00:40:04,500
back to like we don't division sells

953
00:40:08,270 --> 00:40:06,180
negativity cells people want to get

954
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:08,280
angry you know what man we're all tired

955
00:40:12,170 --> 00:40:10,079
we're like we got mortgages to pay

956
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:12,180
mortgages are more expensive

957
00:40:15,290 --> 00:40:13,440
um you want you want to go on a trip

958
00:40:17,150 --> 00:40:15,300
somewhere good luck you're you're paying

959
00:40:19,370 --> 00:40:17,160
twice the amount for gas five times you

960
00:40:22,370 --> 00:40:19,380
know for for

961
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:22,380
you know cheese or heaven forbid you buy

962
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:24,000
some lettuce

963
00:40:27,530 --> 00:40:25,680
which Vineyard Canada is pretty crazy

964
00:40:29,569 --> 00:40:27,540
right now it's like I think I've seen

965
00:40:31,250 --> 00:40:29,579
heads of lettuce for like 15 bucks I'm

966
00:40:33,890 --> 00:40:31,260
like you kidding me like I'll grow the

967
00:40:34,849 --> 00:40:33,900
stuff myself uh and it don't even taste

968
00:40:36,349 --> 00:40:34,859
good

969
00:40:38,750 --> 00:40:36,359
you know what man you don't make friends

970
00:40:40,010 --> 00:40:38,760
with lettuce yeah or Salad you don't

971
00:40:42,829 --> 00:40:40,020
make friends with salad

972
00:40:44,270 --> 00:40:42,839
but you do with sandwiches and you put

973
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:44,280
lettuce on sandwiches a little bit of

974
00:40:53,050 --> 00:40:48,240
mayo some some some uh gray Poupon uh

975
00:40:57,410 --> 00:40:55,550
yeah it's been a busy day I'm kind of

976
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:57,420
hungry right now

977
00:41:00,349 --> 00:40:58,800
it's like oh my God my goodness like it

978
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:00,359
can be a good double decker club with

979
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:02,640
like six slices of bacon and some tomato

980
00:41:06,890 --> 00:41:04,800
like thin cut

981
00:41:09,230 --> 00:41:06,900
you know put some Chipotle mayo on there

982
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:09,240
a little bit of salt little anyway

983
00:41:17,690 --> 00:41:15,130
where is the craziest place you've been

984
00:41:18,650 --> 00:41:17,700
besides the Amazon because we can you

985
00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:18,660
hear me

986
00:41:23,089 --> 00:41:21,119
I want to repeat that where was what

987
00:41:24,650 --> 00:41:23,099
what is the craziest place you've been

988
00:41:26,210 --> 00:41:24,660
like you said that you were called out

989
00:41:27,950 --> 00:41:26,220
to places to meet with people and to

990
00:41:29,930 --> 00:41:27,960
talk with people like every now and

991
00:41:32,930 --> 00:41:29,940
again they're gonna say hey like uh come

992
00:41:35,450 --> 00:41:32,940
check out my you know X location or this

993
00:41:37,490 --> 00:41:35,460
is where it happened I have you ever

994
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:37,500
been in a situation where you're like

995
00:41:41,390 --> 00:41:39,839
I'm gonna die tonight this guy's Friends

996
00:41:45,770 --> 00:41:41,400
Are Gonna Roll me and steal my truck

997
00:41:49,010 --> 00:41:45,780
like ah yeah you know that's that's hard

998
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:49,020
to say I mean

999
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:52,560
it didn't do a whole lot of uh like

1000
00:41:57,050 --> 00:41:55,200
meeting up with people like that most of

1001
00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:57,060
my uh

1002
00:42:02,089 --> 00:41:58,800
most of the

1003
00:42:03,410 --> 00:42:02,099
field stuff I do I'm I'm just totally

1004
00:42:05,569 --> 00:42:03,420
alone

1005
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:05,579
um I'm trying to think of

1006
00:42:10,130 --> 00:42:07,920
I mean I'll tell you a place that I

1007
00:42:11,630 --> 00:42:10,140
really but wait if you're alone how do

1008
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:11,640
you take all those selfies where you're

1009
00:42:17,150 --> 00:42:13,200
like really far back

1010
00:42:19,849 --> 00:42:17,160
uh well sometimes like when sometimes my

1011
00:42:22,310 --> 00:42:19,859
Waffle you lose me like if if it's a

1012
00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:22,320
like if it's like a hike that's got a

1013
00:42:27,410 --> 00:42:24,480
nice view yeah but you know if it's just

1014
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:27,420
like me stomping around in the woods you

1015
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:30,000
know she's got to have a payoff right to

1016
00:42:34,609 --> 00:42:32,640
walk seven miles back in the woods or

1017
00:42:37,490 --> 00:42:34,619
something there's got to be a nice view

1018
00:42:38,990 --> 00:42:37,500
or something so usually on those she'll

1019
00:42:42,050 --> 00:42:39,000
be with me

1020
00:42:44,990 --> 00:42:42,060
but I'm trying to think here like

1021
00:42:47,930 --> 00:42:45,000
I'll tell you uh like a place I really

1022
00:42:50,810 --> 00:42:47,940
did not like and you know people get

1023
00:42:53,390 --> 00:42:50,820
sensitive about you they think if you're

1024
00:42:56,690 --> 00:42:53,400
bagging on their town or this or that

1025
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:56,700
but uh up in um up in Massachusetts I

1026
00:43:01,970 --> 00:43:00,240
was up there uh back in the spring and

1027
00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:01,980
um you know there's an area they call

1028
00:43:06,770 --> 00:43:04,319
the Bridgewater Triangle supposed to be

1029
00:43:08,690 --> 00:43:06,780
all kinds of weirdness and all that and

1030
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:08,700
you know I I went around to a bunch of

1031
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:10,319
those places I went like out in the

1032
00:43:17,390 --> 00:43:14,160
hakamak swamp and uh and all that but

1033
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:17,400
the one place I did not like was the um

1034
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:21,119
the Freetown Fall State Forest and you

1035
00:43:25,550 --> 00:43:23,520
know it was really

1036
00:43:28,670 --> 00:43:25,560
there's really more you know like you

1037
00:43:30,349 --> 00:43:28,680
get there and you're just thinking

1038
00:43:32,210 --> 00:43:30,359
you know you're thinking about like

1039
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:32,220
Bigfoot sightings and all that right but

1040
00:43:38,410 --> 00:43:34,560
you get there and there's like graffiti

1041
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:38,420
everywhere there's trash everywhere

1042
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:42,480
I like went back to the uh RV and had

1043
00:43:46,130 --> 00:43:44,640
the wife you know like drive me out

1044
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:46,140
there and just like drop me off because

1045
00:43:49,309 --> 00:43:47,760
I didn't want to park my car there

1046
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:49,319
because I was afraid I was going to come

1047
00:43:54,290 --> 00:43:51,119
back and you know my tires would be

1048
00:43:57,050 --> 00:43:54,300
slashed or this or that so you know like

1049
00:43:59,210 --> 00:43:57,060
if you got to do stuff like that you

1050
00:44:01,069 --> 00:43:59,220
know you you're kind of wondering if

1051
00:44:02,990 --> 00:44:01,079
you're gonna like to stumble into some

1052
00:44:05,210 --> 00:44:03,000
meth heads or something like that when

1053
00:44:07,849 --> 00:44:05,220
you're out in the woods and uh so I

1054
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:07,859
really didn't like that place I kind of

1055
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:10,560
had uh had my head on the on a swivel

1056
00:44:15,710 --> 00:44:12,480
the whole time didn't

1057
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:15,720
didn't really enter you know didn't I I

1058
00:44:20,990 --> 00:44:17,520
think it was like a Tuesday or Wednesday

1059
00:44:23,870 --> 00:44:21,000
so I I didn't really run into anybody uh

1060
00:44:26,270 --> 00:44:23,880
didn't have any kind of um you know any

1061
00:44:28,910 --> 00:44:26,280
of these strange phenomena take place

1062
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:28,920
didn't really

1063
00:44:33,770 --> 00:44:31,200
you know see anything that blew my skirt

1064
00:44:36,650 --> 00:44:33,780
up as far as like Bigfoot evidence that

1065
00:44:39,170 --> 00:44:36,660
a lot of people a lot of people say they

1066
00:44:40,430 --> 00:44:39,180
come across there but that was a place I

1067
00:44:42,190 --> 00:44:40,440
didn't like

1068
00:44:44,990 --> 00:44:42,200
um

1069
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:45,000
you're an American well again I'm not

1070
00:44:48,170 --> 00:44:46,319
trying to be able to paint all Americans

1071
00:44:50,930 --> 00:44:48,180
with the same brush here but

1072
00:44:54,109 --> 00:44:50,940
you know there was a certain right to

1073
00:44:56,589 --> 00:44:54,119
self-defense and to bear arms especially

1074
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:56,599
if there's a possibility of bear arms

1075
00:45:00,589 --> 00:44:59,040
attacking you in the woods are you

1076
00:45:02,089 --> 00:45:00,599
bringing a bear spray any type of

1077
00:45:04,670 --> 00:45:02,099
protection

1078
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:04,680
well I mean I don't they won't uh as far

1079
00:45:09,170 --> 00:45:06,480
as I know they won't let you well black

1080
00:45:11,390 --> 00:45:09,180
bears are Grandpa strap a gun or

1081
00:45:14,750 --> 00:45:11,400
anything on in Massachusetts but I

1082
00:45:15,530 --> 00:45:14,760
always uh you know I'll I'll always have

1083
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:15,540
um

1084
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:18,240
a lot of times I do carry a can of bear

1085
00:45:22,910 --> 00:45:20,160
spray and it really it's usually more

1086
00:45:25,970 --> 00:45:22,920
for people so much I'm more afraid of

1087
00:45:27,410 --> 00:45:25,980
people than I am bears but uh yeah like

1088
00:45:30,170 --> 00:45:27,420
even

1089
00:45:32,510 --> 00:45:30,180
a lot of places you know that I was uh

1090
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:32,520
you know uh back in the spring when I

1091
00:45:37,550 --> 00:45:34,800
was down in Florida I was uh

1092
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:37,560
out in uh out in the green swamp out

1093
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:38,640
there

1094
00:45:44,210 --> 00:45:41,040
um you know they do have some bears and

1095
00:45:46,910 --> 00:45:44,220
stuff but uh really more in case you

1096
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:46,920
run across somebody hopped up on bath

1097
00:45:53,410 --> 00:45:49,680
salts or something like that so you're

1098
00:45:57,050 --> 00:45:55,309
oh geez

1099
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:57,060
yeah well that was that

1100
00:46:02,390 --> 00:45:59,040
I was I was doing research on like the

1101
00:46:03,890 --> 00:46:02,400
tales of Florida man buckets completely

1102
00:46:06,410 --> 00:46:03,900
different design

1103
00:46:09,950 --> 00:46:06,420
yeah it's a little different down there

1104
00:46:13,010 --> 00:46:09,960
but um I mean I'm I'm actually a Florida

1105
00:46:16,250 --> 00:46:13,020
resident now I uh I'm and a lot of

1106
00:46:19,809 --> 00:46:16,260
people hate on Florida but uh I'm a fan

1107
00:46:23,150 --> 00:46:19,819
hey it's a little bit crazy yeah I mean

1108
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:23,160
nobody nobody can can deny it's a kind

1109
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:24,410
of a crazy place

1110
00:46:29,690 --> 00:46:26,480
[Laughter]

1111
00:46:31,849 --> 00:46:29,700
going more into like again we're gonna

1112
00:46:34,609 --> 00:46:31,859
take a step back here a few thousand

1113
00:46:36,170 --> 00:46:34,619
years a few million years

1114
00:46:39,770 --> 00:46:36,180
um well we'll go with a few thousand

1115
00:46:43,250 --> 00:46:41,690
if we're talking about

1116
00:46:45,170 --> 00:46:43,260
out in the woods you know we've got

1117
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:45,180
Bigfoot you know there's been tons of

1118
00:46:49,609 --> 00:46:47,040
sightings and whether it's just some guy

1119
00:46:51,470 --> 00:46:49,619
out in BC who's wearing a mask and

1120
00:46:52,730 --> 00:46:51,480
trying to get a Netflix special uh he

1121
00:46:54,650 --> 00:46:52,740
never said he wanted to come on the show

1122
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:54,660
too that was kind of unfortunate it was

1123
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:57,599
a long time ago uh or you know you've

1124
00:47:02,329 --> 00:46:59,280
got your chupacabra you've got your

1125
00:47:06,109 --> 00:47:02,339
alien visitations it but it's on the big

1126
00:47:08,089 --> 00:47:06,119
planes uh that you see

1127
00:47:09,890 --> 00:47:08,099
potentially mammoths

1128
00:47:11,450 --> 00:47:09,900
that is one of your most recent books

1129
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:11,460
yeah

1130
00:47:18,410 --> 00:47:14,880
it's it's very game of thrones-esque in

1131
00:47:20,270 --> 00:47:18,420
its uh in its cover kind of what was the

1132
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:20,280
story behind

1133
00:47:26,569 --> 00:47:23,520
that subject in particular and did you

1134
00:47:27,890 --> 00:47:26,579
watch The Joe Rogan episode on uh on the

1135
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:27,900
Alaskan

1136
00:47:34,130 --> 00:47:29,599
boneyards

1137
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:34,140
I did not watch The Joe Rogan episode I

1138
00:47:35,690 --> 00:47:35,040
really

1139
00:47:39,230 --> 00:47:35,700
um

1140
00:47:41,690 --> 00:47:39,240
you know I I really don't follow uh any

1141
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:41,700
podcast real real close I mean I tune

1142
00:47:47,630 --> 00:47:44,640
into this one obviously but um you know

1143
00:47:50,329 --> 00:47:47,640
it's hard for me to really um

1144
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:50,339
you know really follow along so I didn't

1145
00:47:58,010 --> 00:47:54,240
see that but um uh the the the point of

1146
00:47:59,210 --> 00:47:58,020
this book my contention is

1147
00:48:03,349 --> 00:47:59,220
um

1148
00:48:05,450 --> 00:48:03,359
that mammoths and mastodons

1149
00:48:09,170 --> 00:48:05,460
I'm not saying there's any alive today

1150
00:48:12,109 --> 00:48:09,180
I'm saying there could be a herd in uh

1151
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:12,119
in the Siberian tiger or however the

1152
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:13,920
hell you say it you know

1153
00:48:17,450 --> 00:48:15,359
um and I'm not the only one that said

1154
00:48:20,750 --> 00:48:17,460
that uh the father of cryptozoology

1155
00:48:23,630 --> 00:48:20,760
Bernard webelman's in his book um

1156
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:23,640
you know uh searching for

1157
00:48:28,190 --> 00:48:25,680
what is it on the track of unknown

1158
00:48:30,530 --> 00:48:28,200
animals a book he released back in the

1159
00:48:33,170 --> 00:48:30,540
fifth he's uh you know he made a good

1160
00:48:36,050 --> 00:48:33,180
point that in an area that large you

1161
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:36,060
know just a just a it's a continuous

1162
00:48:39,710 --> 00:48:37,440
Forest

1163
00:48:41,930 --> 00:48:39,720
um two-thirds the size of the United

1164
00:48:44,569 --> 00:48:41,940
States and nobody lives there I mean

1165
00:48:47,089 --> 00:48:44,579
there's some native tribes there but uh

1166
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:47,099
very one of the most sparsely populated

1167
00:48:51,470 --> 00:48:48,720
places on Earth

1168
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:51,480
you know he said that um

1169
00:48:56,809 --> 00:48:54,480
the amazing thing is that there are a

1170
00:48:59,809 --> 00:48:56,819
few uh Mama sightings there that you

1171
00:49:02,510 --> 00:48:59,819
know I heard could could easily avoid

1172
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:02,520
detection there but you know I'm on the

1173
00:49:07,490 --> 00:49:05,520
fence as far as that goes but um my

1174
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:07,500
contention is and and the reason that I

1175
00:49:12,650 --> 00:49:08,880
wrote the book

1176
00:49:16,210 --> 00:49:12,660
is I believe based on

1177
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:16,220
um you know a lot of you Mammoth motifs

1178
00:49:21,650 --> 00:49:18,960
petroglyphs things like that and a lot

1179
00:49:25,569 --> 00:49:21,660
of the Native American Tales I think

1180
00:49:29,210 --> 00:49:25,579
that um there was at least a few

1181
00:49:30,589 --> 00:49:29,220
mammoths and mastodons alive in North

1182
00:49:32,809 --> 00:49:30,599
America

1183
00:49:33,950 --> 00:49:32,819
up until a couple hundred years ago I

1184
00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:33,960
would say

1185
00:49:39,230 --> 00:49:36,720
and that's really what um you know this

1186
00:49:42,770 --> 00:49:39,240
this book delves into and and you know

1187
00:49:44,510 --> 00:49:42,780
it the the way that I got into this was

1188
00:49:46,730 --> 00:49:44,520
um is actually

1189
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:46,740
and it's kind of funny it's uh

1190
00:49:52,010 --> 00:49:50,160
I guess I was at about 19 years old and

1191
00:49:54,349 --> 00:49:52,020
um you know I'm a big I've always been a

1192
00:49:57,410 --> 00:49:54,359
big fan of uh Louis Lamour his uh

1193
00:49:59,809 --> 00:49:57,420
western novels right and I read um

1194
00:50:02,630 --> 00:49:59,819
uh Jewel Sackett which is a little bit

1195
00:50:04,730 --> 00:50:02,640
different it's uh it goes back to uh I I

1196
00:50:06,650 --> 00:50:04,740
think it takes place around the 1620s

1197
00:50:08,450 --> 00:50:06,660
but anyway Jubal

1198
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:08,460
long story shorts the main character

1199
00:50:13,309 --> 00:50:11,520
Jubal he's got a Kickapoo a traveling

1200
00:50:16,190 --> 00:50:13,319
companion and he's you know he's kind of

1201
00:50:17,150 --> 00:50:16,200
like walking across the to modern day us

1202
00:50:20,750 --> 00:50:17,160
with

1203
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:20,760
and he tells Jubal of this creature and

1204
00:50:23,930 --> 00:50:22,319
to him he's like

1205
00:50:26,329 --> 00:50:23,940
it's kind of like holy [\h__\h] that sounds

1206
00:50:28,670 --> 00:50:26,339
just like an elephant but there's no

1207
00:50:31,490 --> 00:50:28,680
elephants in North America you know and

1208
00:50:32,809 --> 00:50:31,500
and and his buddy's like oh no like I've

1209
00:50:34,370 --> 00:50:32,819
seen it

1210
00:50:37,550 --> 00:50:34,380
and

1211
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:37,560
you know like in most of lamour's novels

1212
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:39,599
like in in the like in the back you

1213
00:50:43,609 --> 00:50:41,760
would have like a note section because I

1214
00:50:45,890 --> 00:50:43,619
mean they were you know his novels were

1215
00:50:47,390 --> 00:50:45,900
very accurate you know historically and

1216
00:50:49,309 --> 00:50:47,400
you know he would he would have like all

1217
00:50:51,890 --> 00:50:49,319
these notes to refer to

1218
00:50:53,569 --> 00:50:51,900
and sure enough like I looked up some of

1219
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:53,579
the some of the stuff that he had said

1220
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:54,720
and

1221
00:51:01,010 --> 00:50:57,599
you know there was a tail from the Ponca

1222
00:51:03,950 --> 00:51:01,020
tribe that you know like India 1500s a

1223
00:51:07,130 --> 00:51:03,960
um a hunting party out around Nebraska

1224
00:51:09,049 --> 00:51:07,140
came across a dead Mammoth and the word

1225
00:51:10,849 --> 00:51:09,059
that I can't remember like how you say

1226
00:51:13,250 --> 00:51:10,859
the word or whatever but the word that

1227
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:13,260
they used for Mammoth was like the same

1228
00:51:18,349 --> 00:51:15,119
word in their language that they used

1229
00:51:21,170 --> 00:51:18,359
like for like circus elephants that sort

1230
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:21,180
of thing so you know

1231
00:51:26,569 --> 00:51:24,480
it's like okay maybe there's a little

1232
00:51:28,609 --> 00:51:26,579
something to this and you know I'd read

1233
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:28,619
these Tales of um

1234
00:51:34,010 --> 00:51:31,680
various Native American tribes of these

1235
00:51:35,930 --> 00:51:34,020
uh stiff-legged Bears they call them and

1236
00:51:38,450 --> 00:51:35,940
and the description I mean you know if

1237
00:51:40,430 --> 00:51:38,460
it's a mastodon

1238
00:51:43,370 --> 00:51:40,440
um you know some of the First Nations

1239
00:51:45,710 --> 00:51:43,380
people talked about a like a great moose

1240
00:51:47,450 --> 00:51:45,720
they had a fifth leg you know that it

1241
00:51:49,910 --> 00:51:47,460
could pick stuff up with you know like

1242
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:49,920
uh you know like like a trunk and are

1243
00:51:55,069 --> 00:51:51,599
you sure they were talking about the

1244
00:51:57,170 --> 00:51:55,079
trunk well it might yeah well it's one

1245
00:52:00,290 --> 00:51:57,180
or the other so you know to keep it

1246
00:52:02,510 --> 00:52:00,300
clean we'll go with me I just want to

1247
00:52:04,490 --> 00:52:02,520
clarify that don't you know the you know

1248
00:52:06,890 --> 00:52:04,500
the point being that

1249
00:52:09,470 --> 00:52:06,900
there's a lot of there's a lot of things

1250
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:09,480
that that you know just kind of make you

1251
00:52:13,730 --> 00:52:10,800
think and okay

1252
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:13,740
um it's one of those things and it's

1253
00:52:16,730 --> 00:52:14,880
kind of like what I was talking about

1254
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:16,740
earlier this this stuff has to be

1255
00:52:21,650 --> 00:52:18,720
enjoyable for me it has to be fun right

1256
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:21,660
I mean if anybody picks up my book it's

1257
00:52:27,470 --> 00:52:24,480
called modern day mammoths um

1258
00:52:29,329 --> 00:52:27,480
you know it's it's not uh

1259
00:52:32,089 --> 00:52:29,339
you know if you're looking for a whole

1260
00:52:34,190 --> 00:52:32,099
bunch of scientific proof you're going

1261
00:52:36,109 --> 00:52:34,200
to be disappointed I mean I can't prove

1262
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:36,119
a word of what I'm saying

1263
00:52:41,510 --> 00:52:38,880
but it's you know there's just all of

1264
00:52:44,809 --> 00:52:41,520
these interesting tales that just really

1265
00:52:47,630 --> 00:52:44,819
like make you think that um you know

1266
00:52:51,530 --> 00:52:47,640
some of these old stories if people

1267
00:52:52,750 --> 00:52:51,540
weren't so biased right that we know you

1268
00:52:55,490 --> 00:52:52,760
know

1269
00:52:57,470 --> 00:52:55,500
mammoths mastodons went extinct at the

1270
00:53:00,589 --> 00:52:57,480
end of The Last Day Ice Age you know

1271
00:53:02,630 --> 00:53:00,599
we're so biased by what we think we know

1272
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:02,640
that we just kind of like

1273
00:53:08,089 --> 00:53:05,040
you know just put these blinders on and

1274
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:08,099
and so any any of these old stories oh

1275
00:53:13,250 --> 00:53:10,800
no that's a bear or you know oh no

1276
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:13,260
that's you know that's uh

1277
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:14,880
you know that that's some sort of

1278
00:53:19,790 --> 00:53:17,520
Parable with you know some sort of

1279
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:19,800
esoteric meaning you know

1280
00:53:25,069 --> 00:53:22,079
um but it's it's really interesting to

1281
00:53:28,370 --> 00:53:25,079
me and I um if you read um

1282
00:53:31,730 --> 00:53:28,380
and buying to Laurier Junior's book red

1283
00:53:34,130 --> 00:53:31,740
Earth White Lies some of you probably at

1284
00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:34,140
least heard of his his early Works uh

1285
00:53:38,930 --> 00:53:36,240
you know Custer died for your sins he

1286
00:53:40,970 --> 00:53:38,940
was a Native American Author activist

1287
00:53:43,370 --> 00:53:40,980
but anyway in the

1288
00:53:45,290 --> 00:53:43,380
in the uh red Earth white lights he

1289
00:53:47,210 --> 00:53:45,300
really gets into some of those stories

1290
00:53:50,809 --> 00:53:47,220
you know from a Native American

1291
00:53:53,150 --> 00:53:50,819
perspective of how you know when the

1292
00:53:55,910 --> 00:53:53,160
pill you know as he puts it like when

1293
00:54:00,530 --> 00:53:55,920
the pilgrims landed on North America

1294
00:54:04,849 --> 00:54:00,540
there were still you know at least a few

1295
00:54:08,450 --> 00:54:04,859
you know Mamas and Mastodon so um there

1296
00:54:10,549 --> 00:54:08,460
was actually a uh you know a herd on one

1297
00:54:11,450 --> 00:54:10,559
of the Californian

1298
00:54:13,130 --> 00:54:11,460
um

1299
00:54:15,710 --> 00:54:13,140
Islands offshore and because like they

1300
00:54:18,650 --> 00:54:15,720
had been there for so long uh if if you

1301
00:54:20,990 --> 00:54:18,660
stick a species on us on an island it's

1302
00:54:22,910 --> 00:54:21,000
eventually going to get smaller uh so

1303
00:54:25,490 --> 00:54:22,920
like they had shrunk down so you're

1304
00:54:27,290 --> 00:54:25,500
talking smaller than a current uh you

1305
00:54:29,329 --> 00:54:27,300
know elephant but they would you know

1306
00:54:30,530 --> 00:54:29,339
they still existed and I think they were

1307
00:54:32,030 --> 00:54:30,540
I don't even I'm not even gonna

1308
00:54:34,250 --> 00:54:32,040
speculate on the date because I'm I'm

1309
00:54:37,010 --> 00:54:34,260
you know pulling back far into my memory

1310
00:54:39,230 --> 00:54:37,020
as far as this one but like a couple a

1311
00:54:40,430 --> 00:54:39,240
couple hundred years ago at least about

1312
00:54:41,630 --> 00:54:40,440
a thousand years ago maybe they were

1313
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:41,640
still around

1314
00:54:46,670 --> 00:54:43,920
well I mean I think the current time

1315
00:54:48,650 --> 00:54:46,680
frames everybody says is like you know

1316
00:54:50,750 --> 00:54:48,660
the last of these things died like I

1317
00:54:53,390 --> 00:54:50,760
mean maybe some stuff you know with with

1318
00:54:55,970 --> 00:54:53,400
certain areas has been revised but you

1319
00:55:00,049 --> 00:54:55,980
know the the best uh last I've heard is

1320
00:55:02,569 --> 00:55:00,059
like 4 000 years ago right but um

1321
00:55:05,329 --> 00:55:02,579
you know I mean like to me

1322
00:55:08,510 --> 00:55:05,339
I'll give you a quick example here

1323
00:55:10,970 --> 00:55:08,520
um like uh recently I don't know if

1324
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:10,980
folks have heard of the Siberian unicorn

1325
00:55:17,329 --> 00:55:14,000
it it was like this large you know

1326
00:55:20,030 --> 00:55:17,339
rhinoceros and uh they thought that

1327
00:55:22,490 --> 00:55:20,040
these things had went extinct

1328
00:55:26,990 --> 00:55:22,500
um you know the time frame was you know

1329
00:55:29,630 --> 00:55:27,000
uh 200 000 years ago thereabouts and you

1330
00:55:32,990 --> 00:55:29,640
know they they recently revised their

1331
00:55:34,490 --> 00:55:33,000
position that they uh went extinct 39

1332
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:34,500
000 years ago

1333
00:55:39,650 --> 00:55:37,440
so they you know essentially lived

1334
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:39,660
alongside modern humans you know the

1335
00:55:46,970 --> 00:55:42,000
point of this is you know that is a

1336
00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:46,980
correction of what 160 000 years

1337
00:55:53,089 --> 00:55:50,400
okay so I mean I'm is it really that

1338
00:55:54,650 --> 00:55:53,099
crazy that I'm you know that I'm saying

1339
00:55:56,750 --> 00:55:54,660
that okay you're saying that everything

1340
00:55:59,329 --> 00:55:56,760
was wiped out at the end of the last ice

1341
00:56:01,010 --> 00:55:59,339
age I'm saying a few hundred years ago I

1342
00:56:03,770 --> 00:56:01,020
mean that's only a correction of a few

1343
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:03,780
thousand years not a hundred and sixty

1344
00:56:09,770 --> 00:56:07,200
thousand years and I I just think that

1345
00:56:12,589 --> 00:56:09,780
you know we just we we just get so

1346
00:56:14,450 --> 00:56:12,599
people just get so sad and you know what

1347
00:56:17,809 --> 00:56:14,460
we think we know

1348
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:17,819
and the science is settled uh you know

1349
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:21,119
and yeah I mean like it's like I

1350
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:23,040
remember you know in some college class

1351
00:56:29,630 --> 00:56:25,680
and geology classes in college you know

1352
00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:29,640
like uh a kid asked about uh

1353
00:56:34,670 --> 00:56:32,640
you know dating uh Rock layers and

1354
00:56:37,569 --> 00:56:34,680
things and he's like well you know

1355
00:56:39,950 --> 00:56:37,579
couldn't um you know like a like a flood

1356
00:56:42,530 --> 00:56:39,960
you know create some of these land

1357
00:56:45,710 --> 00:56:42,540
features or layers no

1358
00:56:48,290 --> 00:56:45,720
that's religion I'm only focused on

1359
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:48,300
science and science I'm not going to

1360
00:56:53,450 --> 00:56:50,400
waste the classes you know there you

1361
00:56:55,930 --> 00:56:53,460
just the everything is is settled

1362
00:56:59,450 --> 00:56:55,940
according to these people

1363
00:57:00,829 --> 00:56:59,460
that wrong but at least look at that as

1364
00:57:01,970 --> 00:57:00,839
a possibility because like those those

1365
00:57:03,589 --> 00:57:01,980
were dug out

1366
00:57:05,690 --> 00:57:03,599
at least potentially

1367
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:05,700
okay that's a Randall Carlson thing like

1368
00:57:11,390 --> 00:57:08,640
we all know the Missoula uh uh you know

1369
00:57:13,069 --> 00:57:11,400
scavalands those are massive features

1370
00:57:16,130 --> 00:57:13,079
that were dug out by a large Deluge

1371
00:57:17,870 --> 00:57:16,140
Deluge of water apparently uh some

1372
00:57:19,790 --> 00:57:17,880
people say it was just erosion over a

1373
00:57:22,250 --> 00:57:19,800
long period of time it kind of looks

1374
00:57:23,329 --> 00:57:22,260
like if you pour water if you look at a

1375
00:57:25,549 --> 00:57:23,339
if you were in a kid and you have water

1376
00:57:27,530 --> 00:57:25,559
out of a bucket and you pour it into the

1377
00:57:29,950 --> 00:57:27,540
beach sand and the beach sand is already

1378
00:57:32,510 --> 00:57:29,960
wet it's going to make a very clear path

1379
00:57:34,370 --> 00:57:32,520
like that's it's a very similar thing

1380
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:34,380
but on a much larger scale obviously we

1381
00:57:38,809 --> 00:57:36,720
can't see it because you know if we were

1382
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:38,819
thousands of feet tall it would probably

1383
00:57:43,069 --> 00:57:40,319
look the same

1384
00:57:46,370 --> 00:57:43,079
um you know it

1385
00:57:50,210 --> 00:57:46,380
the experts in a lot of fields are going

1386
00:57:51,950 --> 00:57:50,220
to have a lot of expertise and data to

1387
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:51,960
be able to back up their findings when

1388
00:57:57,410 --> 00:57:55,680
it comes to archeology uh fossil Foss

1389
00:57:59,710 --> 00:57:57,420
and I'm not a scientist but you know I I

1390
00:58:02,450 --> 00:57:59,720
know a fair amount of scientists

1391
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:02,460
fossilization for anybody out there it

1392
00:58:07,730 --> 00:58:03,839
has to happen under very specific

1393
00:58:11,170 --> 00:58:07,740
conditions so the fossils we find are

1394
00:58:14,270 --> 00:58:11,180
a very small fraction of what actually

1395
00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:14,280
survived so we don't even have the false

1396
00:58:17,150 --> 00:58:16,319
record we have isn't even the full

1397
00:58:20,870 --> 00:58:17,160
picture

1398
00:58:24,829 --> 00:58:20,880
we're making suppositions based on

1399
00:58:27,410 --> 00:58:24,839
a small data set and can it be accurate

1400
00:58:28,910 --> 00:58:27,420
in some ways yes you know there may be

1401
00:58:31,970 --> 00:58:28,920
things that were that were missing even

1402
00:58:34,790 --> 00:58:31,980
from 30 000 years ago 10 000 years ago

1403
00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:34,800
heck even like

1404
00:58:41,390 --> 00:58:38,400
it's like I I I could break wind and it

1405
00:58:43,609 --> 00:58:41,400
will smell different one day versus the

1406
00:58:46,430 --> 00:58:43,619
other even if I eat the exact same thing

1407
00:58:48,770 --> 00:58:46,440
every single day so you can't even go

1408
00:58:51,710 --> 00:58:48,780
with sometimes the data that you have

1409
00:58:54,650 --> 00:58:51,720
from the day before so if you're talking

1410
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:54,660
10 000 years

1411
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:57,119
it's it's very difficult and I I can

1412
00:59:02,690 --> 00:58:59,760
understand that perspective 100 so at

1413
00:59:06,289 --> 00:59:02,700
least from a questioning standpoint but

1414
00:59:08,329 --> 00:59:06,299
I'm that pain in the ass guy who always

1415
00:59:10,130 --> 00:59:08,339
will ask more questions

1416
00:59:11,870 --> 00:59:10,140
either because I want to know

1417
00:59:13,609 --> 00:59:11,880
or because I just want to be annoying

1418
00:59:15,170 --> 00:59:13,619
and I think it's funny

1419
00:59:17,569 --> 00:59:15,180
most the time it's because I want to

1420
00:59:22,450 --> 00:59:20,630
and like if whether it's for my own uh

1421
00:59:25,069 --> 00:59:22,460
uh my own

1422
00:59:26,510 --> 00:59:25,079
well-being of peace of mind or just the

1423
00:59:27,950 --> 00:59:26,520
fact that it's like okay well at least

1424
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:27,960
it's something new that I learned today

1425
00:59:31,069 --> 00:59:30,000
and I can add it to that piece of the

1426
00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:31,079
puzzle

1427
00:59:36,829 --> 00:59:34,559
videos sometimes you just gotta know for

1428
00:59:38,990 --> 00:59:36,839
knowing some people will say oh history

1429
00:59:41,770 --> 00:59:39,000
we if we learn history we can learn from

1430
00:59:44,870 --> 00:59:41,780
the past yes that is very important

1431
00:59:47,569 --> 00:59:44,880
sometimes you just gots to know and

1432
00:59:50,510 --> 00:59:47,579
there's nothing more to it it's it is

1433
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:50,520
our endless curiosity as humans and so

1434
00:59:55,309 --> 00:59:53,040
one of the reasons one of the reasons I

1435
00:59:57,470 --> 00:59:55,319
brought this show back because I'm like

1436
01:00:00,230 --> 00:59:57,480
it's it's fun to know whether it's other

1437
01:00:02,930 --> 01:00:00,240
people's perspectives or not and

1438
01:00:04,730 --> 01:00:02,940
you know if if one of the things I'm I I

1439
01:00:06,289 --> 01:00:04,740
gotta know is whether you know the

1440
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:06,299
difference between a mastodon and a

1441
01:00:11,809 --> 01:00:08,880
mammoth because most people don't

1442
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:11,819
I would think that it comes down to size

1443
01:00:15,950 --> 01:00:14,400
and Tusk structure and head structure

1444
01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:15,960
but it's probably a lot more complicated

1445
01:00:21,170 --> 01:00:19,440
than that so can you eliminate me

1446
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:21,180
uh you know I mean they're they're

1447
01:00:25,750 --> 01:00:24,720
pretty similar like Mastodon is uh you

1448
01:00:29,809 --> 01:00:25,760
know like

1449
01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:29,819
I there they're kind of shorter like

1450
01:00:35,150 --> 01:00:33,119
stockier you know they're like cousins

1451
01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:35,160
you know the the mammals you know they

1452
01:00:40,789 --> 01:00:38,160
got that like that big curving toss kind

1453
01:00:43,970 --> 01:00:40,799
of like the um

1454
01:00:46,549 --> 01:00:43,980
the the way that they're that their back

1455
01:00:48,289 --> 01:00:46,559
looks it's it's almost kind of like the

1456
01:00:51,230 --> 01:00:48,299
uh I really like the difference between

1457
01:00:53,630 --> 01:00:51,240
a grizzly bear Ray robino's character

1458
01:00:55,190 --> 01:00:53,640
from Ice Age one was that a mammoth or a

1459
01:00:57,289 --> 01:00:55,200
mastodon

1460
01:00:58,910 --> 01:00:57,299
do what now have you ever watched Ice

1461
01:01:03,289 --> 01:00:58,920
Age the first one

1462
01:01:05,170 --> 01:01:03,299
Ray Romano that was a yes okay so the

1463
01:01:08,270 --> 01:01:05,180
Mastodon there

1464
01:01:10,370 --> 01:01:08,280
you know their their back is like kind

1465
01:01:13,010 --> 01:01:10,380
of flatter looking they're a little more

1466
01:01:15,109 --> 01:01:13,020
kind of kind of stocky I mean they're

1467
01:01:18,049 --> 01:01:15,119
they're you know they got really big too

1468
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:18,059
but uh you know the mammoths were and

1469
01:01:24,170 --> 01:01:20,880
the mammoths lived more like

1470
01:01:27,049 --> 01:01:24,180
and then like on on the steps and like

1471
01:01:30,170 --> 01:01:27,059
in more grasslands I think the the

1472
01:01:33,109 --> 01:01:30,180
mastodons were you know in like more the

1473
01:01:35,329 --> 01:01:33,119
wooded environments but um you know they

1474
01:01:36,950 --> 01:01:35,339
they co-mingled I mean they found a lot

1475
01:01:40,670 --> 01:01:36,960
of their you know their bones

1476
01:01:42,950 --> 01:01:40,680
intermingled in some of the same places

1477
01:01:44,329 --> 01:01:42,960
so it's like you know dogs at a dog park

1478
01:01:46,309 --> 01:01:44,339
they're just gonna hang out even if you

1479
01:01:47,690 --> 01:01:46,319
got a golden retriever or you got like a

1480
01:01:49,010 --> 01:01:47,700
great yeah I mean there a little

1481
01:01:52,130 --> 01:01:49,020
schnauzer

1482
01:01:56,089 --> 01:01:52,140
oh yeah they're they're you know they're

1483
01:01:57,890 --> 01:01:56,099
very similar I I had to ask because my

1484
01:02:00,109 --> 01:01:57,900
five-year-old has been watching Ice Age

1485
01:02:02,150 --> 01:02:00,119
one she won't watch the other ones

1486
01:02:03,589 --> 01:02:02,160
because heaven forbid you know the

1487
01:02:05,270 --> 01:02:03,599
acting gets worse and the story gets

1488
01:02:07,309 --> 01:02:05,280
more convoluted the original is always

1489
01:02:08,930 --> 01:02:07,319
going to be better like Star Wars

1490
01:02:11,270 --> 01:02:08,940
um so [\h__\h] like that that was her

1491
01:02:12,490 --> 01:02:11,280
question and uh you know she's asleep

1492
01:02:15,230 --> 01:02:12,500
right now because

1493
01:02:19,010 --> 01:02:15,240
kids kids up after 8 30 is never a good

1494
01:02:20,750 --> 01:02:19,020
thing uh yeah so honey it's

1495
01:02:23,510 --> 01:02:20,760
mastodons

1496
01:02:27,170 --> 01:02:23,520
flat back shorter mammoths that's from

1497
01:02:30,109 --> 01:02:27,180
Ice Age so there you know uh

1498
01:02:32,390 --> 01:02:30,119
getting into Giants

1499
01:02:34,670 --> 01:02:32,400
because this is my favorite subject of

1500
01:02:36,109 --> 01:02:34,680
all time yeah that's a that's a cool

1501
01:02:37,789 --> 01:02:36,119
song

1502
01:02:41,569 --> 01:02:37,799
um men of renown

1503
01:02:44,349 --> 01:02:41,579
is what I would consider to be your opus

1504
01:02:49,370 --> 01:02:44,359
uh it is a

1505
01:02:51,650 --> 01:02:49,380
650 700 page Tome of a collection of

1506
01:02:53,329 --> 01:02:51,660
giant myths from

1507
01:02:55,730 --> 01:02:53,339
across the world

1508
01:02:59,690 --> 01:02:55,740
and

1509
01:03:05,630 --> 01:03:03,470
how was it getting that book finished

1510
01:03:08,450 --> 01:03:05,640
and what are kind of some of the common

1511
01:03:11,349 --> 01:03:08,460
misconceptions that you found other

1512
01:03:14,690 --> 01:03:11,359
people had about prehistoric creatures

1513
01:03:16,549 --> 01:03:14,700
including Giants uh whether it be myth

1514
01:03:17,990 --> 01:03:16,559
or compared to

1515
01:03:21,410 --> 01:03:18,000
you know

1516
01:03:24,010 --> 01:03:21,420
tall guy

1517
01:03:27,049 --> 01:03:24,020
well I think

1518
01:03:29,450 --> 01:03:27,059
you know you know Waters of

1519
01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:29,460
misconceptions about Giants I mean

1520
01:03:34,010 --> 01:03:30,720
that's um

1521
01:03:36,170 --> 01:03:34,020
that's kind of like asking you know what

1522
01:03:38,690 --> 01:03:36,180
are some misconceptions about aliens

1523
01:03:41,030 --> 01:03:38,700
right because I I can't prove that they

1524
01:03:43,069 --> 01:03:41,040
exist you know so you know if we just

1525
01:03:45,770 --> 01:03:43,079
kind of like start from you know start

1526
01:03:49,250 --> 01:03:45,780
from there but I would say like one of

1527
01:03:51,890 --> 01:03:49,260
the biggest uh things that I come across

1528
01:03:53,450 --> 01:03:51,900
with the uh with with these giant

1529
01:03:56,150 --> 01:03:53,460
stories

1530
01:03:57,530 --> 01:03:56,160
yeah a lot of people in the Bigfoot

1531
01:04:00,289 --> 01:03:57,540
community

1532
01:04:03,349 --> 01:04:00,299
you know think that uh you know these

1533
01:04:06,109 --> 01:04:03,359
ancient giant stories or you know giant

1534
01:04:07,309 --> 01:04:06,119
bones that have been found

1535
01:04:10,609 --> 01:04:07,319
you know

1536
01:04:12,829 --> 01:04:10,619
um point to Bigfoot and and they really

1537
01:04:15,950 --> 01:04:12,839
uh you know kind of champion a lot of

1538
01:04:19,730 --> 01:04:15,960
that as uh as as Bigfoot evidence and um

1539
01:04:23,870 --> 01:04:19,740
I am not in that camp I I believe that

1540
01:04:26,270 --> 01:04:23,880
Giants they are you know just uh you

1541
01:04:27,710 --> 01:04:26,280
know big people and and and what I mean

1542
01:04:30,589 --> 01:04:27,720
by that

1543
01:04:33,170 --> 01:04:30,599
I don't mean like oh yeah well like

1544
01:04:35,089 --> 01:04:33,180
somebody's seven feet tall would you

1545
01:04:36,710 --> 01:04:35,099
know would be a giant compared to you

1546
01:04:38,450 --> 01:04:36,720
and that's not what I'm talking about I

1547
01:04:42,109 --> 01:04:38,460
mean some of these people

1548
01:04:44,150 --> 01:04:42,119
you know were 10 12 feet tall and I

1549
01:04:48,049 --> 01:04:44,160
think you're seven Footers or their

1550
01:04:50,870 --> 01:04:48,059
jeans just got diluted down over time

1551
01:04:53,150 --> 01:04:50,880
I I think these uh these Giants they

1552
01:04:55,730 --> 01:04:53,160
they were humans or

1553
01:04:58,549 --> 01:04:55,740
you know a notch above us you know and

1554
01:05:01,670 --> 01:04:58,559
in in in their genes and and their

1555
01:05:03,589 --> 01:05:01,680
makeup so yeah one of the things I uh

1556
01:05:06,650 --> 01:05:03,599
you know I don't really argue with

1557
01:05:08,930 --> 01:05:06,660
people or or debate them but uh that is

1558
01:05:11,990 --> 01:05:08,940
one thing that I um

1559
01:05:14,390 --> 01:05:12,000
that I see like a a lot of your Bigfoot

1560
01:05:18,650 --> 01:05:14,400
Community will will take some of these

1561
01:05:21,470 --> 01:05:18,660
giant uh skeletal fines or you know some

1562
01:05:24,230 --> 01:05:21,480
of these stories and uh you know kind of

1563
01:05:26,690 --> 01:05:24,240
crowbar that into uh you know the

1564
01:05:29,390 --> 01:05:26,700
Bigfoot evidence would that make like

1565
01:05:32,809 --> 01:05:29,400
that particular segment of the Bigfoot

1566
01:05:36,230 --> 01:05:32,819
Community the third segment because you

1567
01:05:38,870 --> 01:05:36,240
have your giant bipedeal ape people who

1568
01:05:40,190 --> 01:05:38,880
are more of the um rationalists I like

1569
01:05:41,930 --> 01:05:40,200
to call them

1570
01:05:44,750 --> 01:05:41,940
um then you have your

1571
01:05:47,770 --> 01:05:44,760
uh psychic

1572
01:05:51,170 --> 01:05:47,780
um potential weekend lover alien

1573
01:05:53,150 --> 01:05:51,180
red-eyed can walk through walls Bigfoot

1574
01:05:56,690 --> 01:05:53,160
um and now you have your potentially

1575
01:05:58,789 --> 01:05:56,700
giant Bigfoot between those three just

1576
01:06:01,750 --> 01:05:58,799
before we can we can go on which one do

1577
01:06:05,210 --> 01:06:01,760
you think is the most likely

1578
01:06:08,930 --> 01:06:05,220
this is something that I

1579
01:06:11,329 --> 01:06:08,940
you know I oscillate uh back and forth

1580
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:11,339
on I mean if um

1581
01:06:15,470 --> 01:06:13,440
you know years ago

1582
01:06:18,410 --> 01:06:15,480
you couldn't have told me Bigfoot was

1583
01:06:20,750 --> 01:06:18,420
anything other you know than a bipedal

1584
01:06:24,349 --> 01:06:20,760
ape that we've just not discovered and

1585
01:06:27,470 --> 01:06:24,359
but you know as more time goes on

1586
01:06:29,210 --> 01:06:27,480
and you know when you talk to people

1587
01:06:32,150 --> 01:06:29,220
that uh

1588
01:06:34,849 --> 01:06:32,160
you know to see the uh the golden red

1589
01:06:38,089 --> 01:06:34,859
eyes with them and and no matter you

1590
01:06:40,490 --> 01:06:38,099
know no matter what you any way you look

1591
01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:40,500
at that I mean a great ape they've got

1592
01:06:45,230 --> 01:06:42,720
eyes like us see you know they're not

1593
01:06:47,210 --> 01:06:45,240
going to have red eye shine you know

1594
01:06:49,549 --> 01:06:47,220
from artificial light hitting their eyes

1595
01:06:51,490 --> 01:06:49,559
and they sure as hell aren't going to

1596
01:06:53,930 --> 01:06:51,500
have you know

1597
01:06:57,589 --> 01:06:53,940
bioluminescent red eyes I mean that's

1598
01:06:58,970 --> 01:06:57,599
just that's just not gonna it's just not

1599
01:07:02,029 --> 01:06:58,980
gonna be a thing

1600
01:07:04,069 --> 01:07:02,039
and but I mean that is so common in

1601
01:07:06,349 --> 01:07:04,079
reports and I mean there's just so many

1602
01:07:09,170 --> 01:07:06,359
reports where there's some element of

1603
01:07:11,390 --> 01:07:09,180
high strangeness with it and often you

1604
01:07:12,470 --> 01:07:11,400
know like from very credible Witnesses

1605
01:07:14,390 --> 01:07:12,480
and stuff

1606
01:07:16,910 --> 01:07:14,400
um you know we haven't

1607
01:07:20,150 --> 01:07:16,920
you know as many people is out there

1608
01:07:22,549 --> 01:07:20,160
looking for these things I mean there's

1609
01:07:24,589 --> 01:07:22,559
there's still there there's no smoking

1610
01:07:26,690 --> 01:07:24,599
gun I mean there's you know there

1611
01:07:29,270 --> 01:07:26,700
there's some interesting cracks some

1612
01:07:31,490 --> 01:07:29,280
very interesting casts of tracks

1613
01:07:34,130 --> 01:07:31,500
but that's all they are right there's

1614
01:07:36,289 --> 01:07:34,140
you know okay you've got to track but

1615
01:07:38,630 --> 01:07:36,299
you know you you've not got a body you

1616
01:07:41,630 --> 01:07:38,640
know you've got some inconclusive hair

1617
01:07:45,650 --> 01:07:41,640
samples and things like that

1618
01:07:49,490 --> 01:07:45,660
and you know the the evidence would you

1619
01:07:52,069 --> 01:07:49,500
know would kind of point that um

1620
01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:52,079
you know like there's just not the

1621
01:07:57,049 --> 01:07:54,960
evidence that you would expect so in

1622
01:07:59,690 --> 01:07:57,059
that regard

1623
01:08:02,930 --> 01:07:59,700
what are you left with I mean I I just

1624
01:08:04,010 --> 01:08:02,940
don't think that all of these people are

1625
01:08:06,650 --> 01:08:04,020
um

1626
01:08:08,450 --> 01:08:06,660
you know that they're making it up or or

1627
01:08:13,609 --> 01:08:08,460
they're crazy

1628
01:08:16,729 --> 01:08:13,619
so so from that angle I entertain the um

1629
01:08:20,470 --> 01:08:16,739
you know the possibility that uh perhaps

1630
01:08:22,130 --> 01:08:20,480
you know Bigfoot is some sort of um

1631
01:08:25,669 --> 01:08:22,140
metaphysical

1632
01:08:27,349 --> 01:08:25,679
um type type creature now I'm not um

1633
01:08:29,630 --> 01:08:27,359
I'm not one of these people that go out

1634
01:08:31,370 --> 01:08:29,640
in the woods and sit in a circle naked

1635
01:08:33,709 --> 01:08:31,380
and you know like try to communicate

1636
01:08:37,130 --> 01:08:33,719
with it I'm not are you sure I don't

1637
01:08:43,550 --> 01:08:40,070
even that [\h__\h] either you know and it's

1638
01:08:45,349 --> 01:08:43,560
uh you know it's

1639
01:08:47,809 --> 01:08:45,359
I don't know what what can I tell you

1640
01:08:50,689 --> 01:08:47,819
but I mean if you if you look at someone

1641
01:08:52,189 --> 01:08:50,699
like

1642
01:08:54,610 --> 01:08:52,199
so

1643
01:08:57,289 --> 01:08:54,620
you know maybe

1644
01:08:59,930 --> 01:08:57,299
one of the things I I brought up in the

1645
01:09:01,849 --> 01:08:59,940
book right is um

1646
01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:01,859
you know if you if you read like The

1647
01:09:06,289 --> 01:09:04,080
Book of Enoch and and some of these

1648
01:09:07,010 --> 01:09:06,299
other you know the Bible some of these

1649
01:09:10,610 --> 01:09:07,020
other

1650
01:09:13,249 --> 01:09:10,620
and

1651
01:09:15,530 --> 01:09:13,259
you know like these Giants uh in the

1652
01:09:16,550 --> 01:09:15,540
Bible Book of Enoch like like when they

1653
01:09:18,349 --> 01:09:16,560
died

1654
01:09:20,930 --> 01:09:18,359
and you know that this is all getting

1655
01:09:23,870 --> 01:09:20,940
into some kooky esoteric stuff I guess

1656
01:09:26,329 --> 01:09:23,880
but you know like what would have you

1657
01:09:29,749 --> 01:09:26,339
know what would have happened like to

1658
01:09:31,910 --> 01:09:29,759
their Spirits or or souls and and again

1659
01:09:33,709 --> 01:09:31,920
this is if you even believe in this sort

1660
01:09:35,150 --> 01:09:33,719
of thing which a lot of people don't I

1661
01:09:38,030 --> 01:09:35,160
mean a lot of people think you know when

1662
01:09:41,390 --> 01:09:38,040
we die you know we're just worm food and

1663
01:09:44,269 --> 01:09:41,400
that's it but you know just

1664
01:09:47,209 --> 01:09:44,279
for argument's sake assuming we all have

1665
01:09:50,450 --> 01:09:47,219
souls you know whatever a soul is

1666
01:09:52,729 --> 01:09:50,460
you know so a creature

1667
01:09:54,950 --> 01:09:52,739
you know in the Bible it says that the

1668
01:09:58,490 --> 01:09:54,960
uh that these Giants were created

1669
01:10:00,169 --> 01:09:58,500
through the the union of angels and and

1670
01:10:03,410 --> 01:10:00,179
human women

1671
01:10:05,689 --> 01:10:03,420
so you know like when when these uh

1672
01:10:09,350 --> 01:10:05,699
Giants were killed either in the flood

1673
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:09,360
or you know like later in the Bible

1674
01:10:14,450 --> 01:10:10,800
um you know

1675
01:10:16,250 --> 01:10:14,460
um Joseph and Caleb exterminated a bunch

1676
01:10:20,090 --> 01:10:16,260
of them what would have happened to

1677
01:10:24,110 --> 01:10:20,100
their souls and I entertained the idea

1678
01:10:26,870 --> 01:10:24,120
that maybe like those souls are floating

1679
01:10:30,050 --> 01:10:26,880
around out here and

1680
01:10:31,130 --> 01:10:30,060
you know could manifest as a Bigfoot or

1681
01:10:34,010 --> 01:10:31,140
uh

1682
01:10:35,870 --> 01:10:34,020
you know a moth man or you know whatever

1683
01:10:39,010 --> 01:10:35,880
I I don't know why they would do that

1684
01:10:41,689 --> 01:10:39,020
but it's well why especially in Chicago

1685
01:10:43,550 --> 01:10:41,699
like you know if if you want to get

1686
01:10:46,370 --> 01:10:43,560
mistaken for

1687
01:10:49,010 --> 01:10:46,380
flasher by people who are high on

1688
01:10:51,950 --> 01:10:49,020
goodness knows what Chicago's a good

1689
01:10:54,050 --> 01:10:51,960
place to do it you know it's like it's a

1690
01:10:55,850 --> 01:10:54,060
Mothman I'm like are you sure are you

1691
01:10:58,490 --> 01:10:55,860
what area of town are you in what time

1692
01:11:00,410 --> 01:10:58,500
of night was it you know

1693
01:11:02,030 --> 01:11:00,420
and you know I and I should let

1694
01:11:04,729 --> 01:11:02,040
everybody I mean this certainly isn't

1695
01:11:06,350 --> 01:11:04,739
like an idea that I'm tied to it's just

1696
01:11:08,930 --> 01:11:06,360
you know it's just one of those things

1697
01:11:11,290 --> 01:11:08,940
that I you know you kind of kick around

1698
01:11:14,270 --> 01:11:11,300
a little bit because you know there's

1699
01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:14,280
all kinds of people that believe in like

1700
01:11:19,550 --> 01:11:17,520
uh or or or old religions and things

1701
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:19,560
that believe in like oral spirits and

1702
01:11:24,050 --> 01:11:21,840
the water spirits and and this or that

1703
01:11:25,910 --> 01:11:24,060
and you know I I don't know I just think

1704
01:11:29,450 --> 01:11:25,920
that um

1705
01:11:32,149 --> 01:11:29,460
you know maybe Bigfoot could some way be

1706
01:11:37,149 --> 01:11:32,159
be tied just you know something like

1707
01:11:39,830 --> 01:11:37,159
that I'm not but is it possible that

1708
01:11:41,270 --> 01:11:39,840
the ones that at least are inconclusive

1709
01:11:42,709 --> 01:11:41,280
and I don't know how many there are out

1710
01:11:45,350 --> 01:11:42,719
there if there are any that are

1711
01:11:47,689 --> 01:11:45,360
inconclusive as far as bones of that

1712
01:11:50,630 --> 01:11:47,699
size and they're not dinosaurs they're

1713
01:11:53,890 --> 01:11:50,640
not you know from a mammoth herb some

1714
01:11:56,930 --> 01:11:53,900
other large uh you know extinct or

1715
01:12:00,169 --> 01:11:56,940
supposedly extinct animal from North

1716
01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:00,179
America is it possible that those bones

1717
01:12:05,390 --> 01:12:03,120
may have been from old Bigfoot

1718
01:12:07,310 --> 01:12:05,400
and mistaken for Giants

1719
01:12:08,870 --> 01:12:07,320
well and that's you know that's kind of

1720
01:12:10,970 --> 01:12:08,880
what I was getting at with the you know

1721
01:12:12,050 --> 01:12:10,980
a lot of the people in the Bigfoot

1722
01:12:13,970 --> 01:12:12,060
Community

1723
01:12:16,910 --> 01:12:13,980
um you know that's that

1724
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:16,920
they will really draw on

1725
01:12:21,649 --> 01:12:19,440
and be like hey you know there's this

1726
01:12:23,390 --> 01:12:21,659
there's this old newspaper report of the

1727
01:12:26,689 --> 01:12:23,400
you know eight and a half foot skeleton

1728
01:12:28,510 --> 01:12:26,699
could this have been a Bigfoot well

1729
01:12:32,450 --> 01:12:28,520
I don't think so

1730
01:12:36,470 --> 01:12:32,460
personally because you know

1731
01:12:39,290 --> 01:12:36,480
you know if if Bigfoot does exist as as

1732
01:12:44,450 --> 01:12:39,300
something that is a you know is physical

1733
01:12:45,709 --> 01:12:44,460
and you know has bones in a body you

1734
01:12:47,630 --> 01:12:45,719
know then I think it's it's you know

1735
01:12:50,689 --> 01:12:47,640
that it you know it's some sort of great

1736
01:12:51,910 --> 01:12:50,699
ape so I don't think that a Bigfoot is

1737
01:12:56,149 --> 01:12:51,920
going to be

1738
01:12:57,410 --> 01:12:56,159
buried in a um you know a 65 foot tall

1739
01:13:01,610 --> 01:12:57,420
bound

1740
01:13:04,910 --> 01:13:01,620
inside of Vault with um with a copper

1741
01:13:06,649 --> 01:13:04,920
crown on its head and and and copper

1742
01:13:08,330 --> 01:13:06,659
breast plates you know like you find

1743
01:13:11,030 --> 01:13:08,340
with a lot of these other giant

1744
01:13:12,649 --> 01:13:11,040
skeletons so um well how do you know did

1745
01:13:16,070 --> 01:13:12,659
you know what the fashion was like in 20

1746
01:13:18,110 --> 01:13:16,080
you know 20 000 three years ago like

1747
01:13:20,630 --> 01:13:18,120
maybe it was Progressive to wear a gold

1748
01:13:27,310 --> 01:13:20,640
crown maybe he just identified as a

1749
01:13:32,149 --> 01:13:30,350
as you said yourself we don't know and

1750
01:13:34,729 --> 01:13:32,159
we don't know and it's and we don't have

1751
01:13:37,390 --> 01:13:34,739
nobody to ask so I mean no but yeah but

1752
01:13:40,490 --> 01:13:37,400
it's real fun to speculate

1753
01:13:43,729 --> 01:13:40,500
and it's supposed to be fun it's like

1754
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:43,739
for joint Mythos like you've got

1755
01:13:48,530 --> 01:13:46,080
North America we've it's been done to

1756
01:13:49,729 --> 01:13:48,540
death yeah it's like I'm not I'm not

1757
01:13:51,890 --> 01:13:49,739
gonna go too much into it just because

1758
01:13:53,149 --> 01:13:51,900
like we've I know we've covered it you

1759
01:13:55,910 --> 01:13:53,159
can find it it's been hit over the head

1760
01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:55,920
with it's you know it's it's either like

1761
01:13:58,490 --> 01:13:57,360
hey were these people from Atlantis we

1762
01:14:00,229 --> 01:13:58,500
don't know are these people just like

1763
01:14:03,229 --> 01:14:00,239
here already are they cannibals we don't

1764
01:14:05,570 --> 01:14:03,239
know Lovelock cave etc etc etc the same

1765
01:14:09,050 --> 01:14:05,580
things are are run over a million times

1766
01:14:11,390 --> 01:14:09,060
to death some of the ancient stories out

1767
01:14:16,610 --> 01:14:11,400
of Europe though

1768
01:14:20,209 --> 01:14:16,620
you like oh man okay one of my favorite

1769
01:14:25,030 --> 01:14:21,530
Ireland

1770
01:14:29,450 --> 01:14:25,040
Scotland whale like does the UK give me

1771
01:14:30,890 --> 01:14:29,460
the UK like the big UK founding myth

1772
01:14:32,510 --> 01:14:30,900
with regards to this because I've heard

1773
01:14:34,370 --> 01:14:32,520
it before hearing it from your voice

1774
01:14:36,229 --> 01:14:34,380
with that with that accent that's gonna

1775
01:14:39,410 --> 01:14:36,239
make that's money

1776
01:14:41,930 --> 01:14:39,420
well I mean I'm certainly uh not an

1777
01:14:44,870 --> 01:14:41,940
expert as far as this goes but one of

1778
01:14:48,770 --> 01:14:44,880
one of the myths is um

1779
01:14:51,950 --> 01:14:48,780
you know a a Roman Emperor had a like

1780
01:14:54,470 --> 01:14:51,960
like a real evil daughter right and I

1781
01:14:55,490 --> 01:14:54,480
think she had like 33 sisters and they

1782
01:14:57,770 --> 01:14:55,500
all

1783
01:15:00,649 --> 01:14:57,780
you know like made a pact and killed

1784
01:15:02,810 --> 01:15:00,659
their husbands right so they were exiled

1785
01:15:04,910 --> 01:15:02,820
and you know they they settled in in

1786
01:15:08,810 --> 01:15:04,920
Britain and

1787
01:15:11,330 --> 01:15:08,820
at any rate they um it's real close to

1788
01:15:14,149 --> 01:15:11,340
the Bible story how you know like in the

1789
01:15:17,510 --> 01:15:14,159
Bible it says that the sons of God and

1790
01:15:20,270 --> 01:15:17,520
the daughters of men you know procreated

1791
01:15:22,310 --> 01:15:20,280
and Giants were born kind of in the same

1792
01:15:25,010 --> 01:15:22,320
way that um

1793
01:15:26,709 --> 01:15:25,020
you know these evil daughters

1794
01:15:30,169 --> 01:15:26,719
um you know they

1795
01:15:34,250 --> 01:15:30,179
procreated with demons and um you know

1796
01:15:37,310 --> 01:15:34,260
there was a a race of giants born uh you

1797
01:15:40,970 --> 01:15:37,320
know in ancient Britain and you know

1798
01:15:45,649 --> 01:15:40,980
that is a very you know you you've got a

1799
01:15:47,570 --> 01:15:45,659
almost a similar tale uh like from India

1800
01:15:50,450 --> 01:15:47,580
um you've got um

1801
01:15:54,950 --> 01:15:50,460
that theme you know where

1802
01:15:58,669 --> 01:15:54,960
like a uh like a demons or or Angels or

1803
01:16:01,669 --> 01:15:58,679
this or that procreate with humans

1804
01:16:04,310 --> 01:16:01,679
the resulting Offspring is these giant

1805
01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:04,320
creatures and almost always you know the

1806
01:16:08,169 --> 01:16:06,480
Giants are evil

1807
01:16:11,570 --> 01:16:08,179
um they're

1808
01:16:14,530 --> 01:16:11,580
they create hardship for people you know

1809
01:16:17,689 --> 01:16:14,540
wherever they go and it's it's it's

1810
01:16:19,250 --> 01:16:17,699
worldwide those stories what about some

1811
01:16:20,270 --> 01:16:19,260
of the stories coming out like were

1812
01:16:22,490 --> 01:16:20,280
there any stories coming out of

1813
01:16:25,149 --> 01:16:22,500
Polynesia I know you had mentioned uh

1814
01:16:29,630 --> 01:16:25,159
India but you know like because the

1815
01:16:31,430 --> 01:16:29,640
Southeastern Asia and and Oceana

1816
01:16:33,830 --> 01:16:31,440
yeah there's I mean there's some real

1817
01:16:35,330 --> 01:16:33,840
interesting stories you know from the

1818
01:16:36,410 --> 01:16:35,340
South Pacific

1819
01:16:38,689 --> 01:16:36,420
um

1820
01:16:40,729 --> 01:16:38,699
you know in some of these cases you know

1821
01:16:43,070 --> 01:16:40,739
the giant Tales you know they're really

1822
01:16:46,010 --> 01:16:43,080
far-fetched you know like like giants

1823
01:16:47,870 --> 01:16:46,020
that like stand in the ocean and you

1824
01:16:49,910 --> 01:16:47,880
know their arms stretch up into the

1825
01:16:51,590 --> 01:16:49,920
clouds but then there's also a lot of um

1826
01:16:53,090 --> 01:16:51,600
there's a lot of stories from New

1827
01:16:56,570 --> 01:16:53,100
Zealand

1828
01:16:58,850 --> 01:16:56,580
you know fairly fairly recent times you

1829
01:17:01,729 --> 01:16:58,860
know the of giants uh

1830
01:17:03,890 --> 01:17:01,739
that uh you know their graves were you

1831
01:17:07,729 --> 01:17:03,900
know 14 feet long you know they they

1832
01:17:09,890 --> 01:17:07,739
talk about these uh these giant Chiefs

1833
01:17:13,910 --> 01:17:09,900
that you know that were in charge you

1834
01:17:14,810 --> 01:17:13,920
know like nine feet tall Ten Feet Tall

1835
01:17:19,850 --> 01:17:14,820
um

1836
01:17:22,490 --> 01:17:19,860
the name of it but the guy that wrote it

1837
01:17:26,510 --> 01:17:22,500
James Cowan he talks about

1838
01:17:29,030 --> 01:17:26,520
um a giant Kia rowa you know that that

1839
01:17:32,149 --> 01:17:29,040
does battle you know with another giant

1840
01:17:33,610 --> 01:17:32,159
Chief and it's just it's just it's just

1841
01:17:36,050 --> 01:17:33,620
really

1842
01:17:39,229 --> 01:17:36,060
astounding you know when you think about

1843
01:17:40,970 --> 01:17:39,239
those tales and there's the and also

1844
01:17:44,750 --> 01:17:40,980
like in um

1845
01:17:47,390 --> 01:17:44,760
I forget where this is It's either in uh

1846
01:17:50,270 --> 01:17:47,400
maybe the Marshall Islands

1847
01:17:52,850 --> 01:17:50,280
try anyway whatever one of those uh you

1848
01:17:57,290 --> 01:17:52,860
know Island chains in the South Pacific

1849
01:18:00,290 --> 01:17:57,300
there's this tale where these Giants

1850
01:18:01,430 --> 01:18:00,300
wash ashore like in a hollowed-out

1851
01:18:04,310 --> 01:18:01,440
Timber

1852
01:18:07,070 --> 01:18:04,320
and like as soon as they wash up on

1853
01:18:08,990 --> 01:18:07,080
shore you know the people you know might

1854
01:18:12,350 --> 01:18:09,000
kill them

1855
01:18:15,169 --> 01:18:12,360
an interesting thing also like from Peru

1856
01:18:18,229 --> 01:18:15,179
and Ecuador there's these Tales of these

1857
01:18:20,810 --> 01:18:18,239
Giants that uh you know buy boats

1858
01:18:22,910 --> 01:18:20,820
um you know come in and you know the

1859
01:18:25,970 --> 01:18:22,920
people didn't kill them you know the

1860
01:18:27,649 --> 01:18:25,980
Giants washed up on shore on on boats

1861
01:18:30,290 --> 01:18:27,659
and then and then they settled and

1862
01:18:32,990 --> 01:18:30,300
subjugated everybody but I just I just

1863
01:18:35,810 --> 01:18:33,000
find it interesting that you know Worlds

1864
01:18:37,970 --> 01:18:35,820
Apart there's these Tales of these giant

1865
01:18:40,610 --> 01:18:37,980
people you know coming up on boats and

1866
01:18:42,709 --> 01:18:40,620
you know the easy way out would be to oh

1867
01:18:45,950 --> 01:18:42,719
you know that's just Vikings well you

1868
01:18:48,950 --> 01:18:45,960
know I mean yeah maybe maybe the I don't

1869
01:18:52,189 --> 01:18:48,960
really know that the Polynesian dudes or

1870
01:18:54,410 --> 01:18:52,199
are pretty big I don't know that uh you

1871
01:18:56,570 --> 01:18:54,420
know that the Vikings were any bigger

1872
01:18:58,370 --> 01:18:56,580
than Polynesian guys and even if they

1873
01:18:59,750 --> 01:18:58,380
were I mean you know they weren't 10

1874
01:19:03,110 --> 01:18:59,760
feet tall

1875
01:19:05,510 --> 01:19:03,120
it it was what was the average like

1876
01:19:08,630 --> 01:19:05,520
height are we talking I you said seven

1877
01:19:11,510 --> 01:19:08,640
to like 15 I've seen estimations some as

1878
01:19:14,149 --> 01:19:11,520
high as 25 or 30. you know it just

1879
01:19:16,970 --> 01:19:14,159
depends on the story it really does it

1880
01:19:20,209 --> 01:19:16,980
just depends on the story like um you

1881
01:19:23,390 --> 01:19:20,219
know in in Patagonia early on you know

1882
01:19:25,310 --> 01:19:23,400
you're talking you know 15 1600s you

1883
01:19:27,350 --> 01:19:25,320
know the tales the people being the

1884
01:19:29,030 --> 01:19:27,360
giant people being you know between 10

1885
01:19:32,209 --> 01:19:29,040
and 12 feet tall

1886
01:19:34,550 --> 01:19:32,219
you know as you get as you get further

1887
01:19:36,470 --> 01:19:34,560
down closer to our day it's more you

1888
01:19:38,330 --> 01:19:36,480
know seven seven and a half so it really

1889
01:19:40,850 --> 01:19:38,340
kind of just depends on the particular

1890
01:19:43,610 --> 01:19:40,860
tail and you know where it's from and

1891
01:19:45,830 --> 01:19:43,620
and who told it what was the motivation

1892
01:19:46,870 --> 01:19:45,840
behind writing the book like obviously

1893
01:19:49,790 --> 01:19:46,880
you're not

1894
01:19:51,410 --> 01:19:49,800
necessarily trying to solve the mystery

1895
01:19:53,450 --> 01:19:51,420
because as we said we've got no one to

1896
01:19:56,450 --> 01:19:53,460
really ask and we can speculate I think

1897
01:19:58,850 --> 01:19:56,460
one of the conversations we had

1898
01:19:59,570 --> 01:19:58,860
basically came to the determination it's

1899
01:20:01,610 --> 01:19:59,580
like

1900
01:20:05,350 --> 01:20:01,620
three things the three possibilities

1901
01:20:08,270 --> 01:20:05,360
it's either BS

1902
01:20:13,070 --> 01:20:08,280
giant humans with like really good genes

1903
01:20:16,970 --> 01:20:13,080
or freaking aliens yeah well that's so I

1904
01:20:19,790 --> 01:20:16,980
think my my motivation for riding it was

1905
01:20:20,750 --> 01:20:19,800
this is one of those things like

1906
01:20:23,149 --> 01:20:20,760
um

1907
01:20:24,410 --> 01:20:23,159
so I I've always written about a lot of

1908
01:20:26,510 --> 01:20:24,420
different things I mean I've never

1909
01:20:29,630 --> 01:20:26,520
wanted to be like

1910
01:20:33,530 --> 01:20:29,640
the Bigfoot guy or or the ghost on her

1911
01:20:35,630 --> 01:20:33,540
or you know the lake monster guy I have

1912
01:20:37,729 --> 01:20:35,640
a wide range of Interest

1913
01:20:40,370 --> 01:20:37,739
and in a lot of ways a lot of these

1914
01:20:45,830 --> 01:20:40,380
things are are interconnected I mean you

1915
01:20:48,950 --> 01:20:45,840
find that over and over and with Giants

1916
01:20:50,810 --> 01:20:48,960
I mean what you find with giants I mean

1917
01:20:52,669 --> 01:20:50,820
that like they kind of touch on

1918
01:20:54,770 --> 01:20:52,679
everything I mean like like we were

1919
01:20:56,930 --> 01:20:54,780
talking earlier how you know the Bigfoot

1920
01:20:59,689 --> 01:20:56,940
Community Champions a lot of these old

1921
01:21:01,790 --> 01:20:59,699
newspaper reports of uh you know giant

1922
01:21:03,050 --> 01:21:01,800
skeletal fines

1923
01:21:06,229 --> 01:21:03,060
um

1924
01:21:08,090 --> 01:21:06,239
you know Zechariah sitch and Eric Von

1925
01:21:10,669 --> 01:21:08,100
danikin wrote about

1926
01:21:13,010 --> 01:21:10,679
um you know the um you know the the

1927
01:21:14,590 --> 01:21:13,020
Nephilim and the in the Book of Genesis

1928
01:21:17,630 --> 01:21:14,600
and and you know

1929
01:21:20,270 --> 01:21:17,640
speculated that you know like if you

1930
01:21:22,910 --> 01:21:20,280
you know substitute the word alien for

1931
01:21:25,010 --> 01:21:22,920
Angel well there you have it you know

1932
01:21:31,430 --> 01:21:25,020
and

1933
01:21:34,430 --> 01:21:31,440
coming coming from a uh you know a

1934
01:21:36,050 --> 01:21:34,440
Pentecostal uh background as a youth you

1935
01:21:38,950 --> 01:21:36,060
know the um

1936
01:21:41,750 --> 01:21:38,960
it's not something it's real

1937
01:21:43,010 --> 01:21:41,760
you know the the real in-depth stuff

1938
01:21:44,870 --> 01:21:43,020
with giants I mean it's not just

1939
01:21:47,570 --> 01:21:44,880
something you get in your basic Sunday

1940
01:21:50,270 --> 01:21:47,580
school class it's it's sort of inside

1941
01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:50,280
baseball stuff right but if you if you

1942
01:21:55,970 --> 01:21:52,320
do dive into it like a lot of those

1943
01:21:59,750 --> 01:21:55,980
folks uh you know believe that um

1944
01:22:03,410 --> 01:21:59,760
the the spirits of of these deceased

1945
01:22:05,390 --> 01:22:03,420
Giants are behind a lot of bad [\h__\h] you

1946
01:22:07,189 --> 01:22:05,400
know whether kind of kind of like I was

1947
01:22:09,410 --> 01:22:07,199
talking about earlier

1948
01:22:11,209 --> 01:22:09,420
you know they're just sort of like the

1949
01:22:14,570 --> 01:22:11,219
the spirits of the Giants are sort of

1950
01:22:18,290 --> 01:22:14,580
like demons floating around so what I'm

1951
01:22:21,050 --> 01:22:18,300
getting at is Giants just

1952
01:22:23,209 --> 01:22:21,060
but it just sort of like ties like

1953
01:22:26,090 --> 01:22:23,219
everything together no matter what kind

1954
01:22:27,410 --> 01:22:26,100
of weird or even if you're just like you

1955
01:22:30,470 --> 01:22:27,420
know even if you don't really care that

1956
01:22:32,030 --> 01:22:30,480
much about Bigfoot or or whatever Von

1957
01:22:34,430 --> 01:22:32,040
daniken wrote about I mean if you're

1958
01:22:37,310 --> 01:22:34,440
just a guy that uh is just kind of into

1959
01:22:39,530 --> 01:22:37,320
into conspiracy stuff well well there

1960
01:22:42,169 --> 01:22:39,540
you go because uh you know it don't take

1961
01:22:44,570 --> 01:22:42,179
much digging to to figure out that uh

1962
01:22:46,910 --> 01:22:44,580
that the Smithsonian might have uh

1963
01:22:49,610 --> 01:22:46,920
hidden or destroyed a bunch of giant

1964
01:22:52,130 --> 01:22:49,620
bones so no matter what kind of weird

1965
01:22:55,130 --> 01:22:52,140
angle you're coming from you're going to

1966
01:22:57,470 --> 01:22:55,140
run into Giants sooner or later so you

1967
01:22:59,209 --> 01:22:57,480
know that all just really fascinated me

1968
01:23:03,830 --> 01:22:59,219
and

1969
01:23:06,530 --> 01:23:03,840
fascination goes back to you know being

1970
01:23:08,750 --> 01:23:06,540
a kid in Sunday school you know and

1971
01:23:10,370 --> 01:23:08,760
asking my Sunday school teacher you know

1972
01:23:12,770 --> 01:23:10,380
like um

1973
01:23:15,590 --> 01:23:12,780
you know how much a cube it was because

1974
01:23:17,870 --> 01:23:15,600
I was you know we were doing the David

1975
01:23:20,570 --> 01:23:17,880
and Goliath story and I'm I'm trying to

1976
01:23:23,510 --> 01:23:20,580
calculate in my in my head like like how

1977
01:23:25,490 --> 01:23:23,520
tall he was and you know in my Sunday

1978
01:23:29,209 --> 01:23:25,500
school teacher well I don't really know

1979
01:23:31,850 --> 01:23:29,219
but I've heard uh preachers say that uh

1980
01:23:34,610 --> 01:23:31,860
Goliath was around 10 feet tall you know

1981
01:23:35,450 --> 01:23:34,620
so I'm just kind of thinking about that

1982
01:23:37,310 --> 01:23:35,460
and

1983
01:23:39,410 --> 01:23:37,320
I thought about the height of the

1984
01:23:42,050 --> 01:23:39,420
basketball rim out in the parking lot

1985
01:23:44,930 --> 01:23:42,060
and I'm just like oh my goodness and and

1986
01:23:47,270 --> 01:23:44,940
it just really uh really fascinated me

1987
01:23:50,689 --> 01:23:47,280
when I was a kid you never were able to

1988
01:23:54,410 --> 01:23:50,699
dunk I'm guessing no never and you know

1989
01:23:57,470 --> 01:23:54,420
what I even uh I was with the uh several

1990
01:24:00,229 --> 01:23:57,480
years ago me and the kids uh one of my

1991
01:24:02,870 --> 01:24:00,239
uh nephews had a birthday party at one

1992
01:24:04,250 --> 01:24:02,880
of those trampoline one of those I don't

1993
01:24:05,870 --> 01:24:04,260
know I don't even know the name of it

1994
01:24:08,689 --> 01:24:05,880
but it was some some place it's just

1995
01:24:11,209 --> 01:24:08,699
like a just like this huge gym it's just

1996
01:24:13,310 --> 01:24:11,219
all trampolines and they had uh they had

1997
01:24:16,189 --> 01:24:13,320
some basketball hoops you know so like

1998
01:24:18,590 --> 01:24:16,199
oh man I am going to win middle dunk

1999
01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:18,600
and I bounce as hard as I could on the

2000
01:24:23,450 --> 01:24:21,120
trampoline and I hit the rim with the

2001
01:24:26,209 --> 01:24:23,460
ball a couple times but it never went in

2002
01:24:29,390 --> 01:24:26,219
I never could dunk even on a trampoline

2003
01:24:32,330 --> 01:24:29,400
at least you tried because I tried like

2004
01:24:34,550 --> 01:24:32,340
hell man I mean I freaking tried so hard

2005
01:24:37,850 --> 01:24:34,560
but I could not dunk it even on a

2006
01:24:40,490 --> 01:24:37,860
trampoline it was sad it was so sad well

2007
01:24:42,530 --> 01:24:40,500
I I can't jump at all so you even with a

2008
01:24:44,209 --> 01:24:42,540
trampoline you still got me on that uh I

2009
01:24:46,070 --> 01:24:44,219
just had it in my mind man I was just

2010
01:24:49,550 --> 01:24:46,080
gonna do this and I was gonna do a

2011
01:24:51,649 --> 01:24:49,560
windmill dunk I mean just like and you

2012
01:24:57,970 --> 01:24:51,659
know like a backboard breaking kind of

2013
01:25:02,570 --> 01:25:00,590
it's you know friend of the family and

2014
01:25:05,270 --> 01:25:02,580
niece or nephew yeah it was uh one of my

2015
01:25:07,490 --> 01:25:05,280
uh one of my nephews so you know that

2016
01:25:08,990 --> 01:25:07,500
they were doing it's like the whole

2017
01:25:11,689 --> 01:25:09,000
family was there so we just kind of

2018
01:25:14,330 --> 01:25:11,699
split off and I think me and my son

2019
01:25:16,610 --> 01:25:14,340
I I was tossing the ball to him he was

2020
01:25:20,330 --> 01:25:16,620
doing some alley-oop dunks you know but

2021
01:25:23,330 --> 01:25:20,340
I I couldn't do it man just I I tried so

2022
01:25:24,890 --> 01:25:23,340
hard I couldn't dunk it I'm I'm going to

2023
01:25:26,390 --> 01:25:24,900
make the Assumption and I know if you

2024
01:25:28,689 --> 01:25:26,400
assume you can make an ass out of you

2025
01:25:32,750 --> 01:25:28,699
and me uh

2026
01:25:34,310 --> 01:25:32,760
given your disposition as an individual

2027
01:25:36,530 --> 01:25:34,320
were you the only parent on the

2028
01:25:39,649 --> 01:25:36,540
trampolines

2029
01:25:43,310 --> 01:25:39,659
let's see no you know my wife uh jumped

2030
01:25:45,350 --> 01:25:43,320
around heck even my uh my stepdad he was

2031
01:25:47,209 --> 01:25:45,360
he was bouncing around with some too so

2032
01:25:49,610 --> 01:25:47,219
there were there were I wasn't the only

2033
01:25:51,770 --> 01:25:49,620
one okay because I I always look at it

2034
01:25:54,430 --> 01:25:51,780
like fun stuff like that I always gotta

2035
01:25:57,530 --> 01:25:54,440
try you know I I take mine

2036
01:25:59,510 --> 01:25:57,540
dude there was like as many adults as

2037
01:26:00,890 --> 01:25:59,520
kids because that's one of those things

2038
01:26:03,290 --> 01:26:00,900
that you can

2039
01:26:05,030 --> 01:26:03,300
you know like you you can kind of let

2040
01:26:06,830 --> 01:26:05,040
that kid in you go because I mean

2041
01:26:08,689 --> 01:26:06,840
they're growing up man if you had a

2042
01:26:11,330 --> 01:26:08,699
buddy that had a trampoline man there

2043
01:26:12,830 --> 01:26:11,340
was nothing more fun than that and back

2044
01:26:14,990 --> 01:26:12,840
in those days man you didn't have those

2045
01:26:17,090 --> 01:26:15,000
stupid guards on the side I mean you

2046
01:26:19,250 --> 01:26:17,100
could you could bounce as high as you

2047
01:26:22,430 --> 01:26:19,260
could and land in the yard and I mean it

2048
01:26:24,410 --> 01:26:22,440
was really it was a lot of fun but uh I

2049
01:26:26,450 --> 01:26:24,420
could not dunk you know since those

2050
01:26:29,450 --> 01:26:26,460
safety measures have been put in place

2051
01:26:32,689 --> 01:26:29,460
people call them fun Killers but hey

2052
01:26:35,570 --> 01:26:32,699
injuries among kids have gone down

2053
01:26:37,970 --> 01:26:35,580
which that's time and stress and you

2054
01:26:40,430 --> 01:26:37,980
know Hospital oh yeah you know but

2055
01:26:41,689 --> 01:26:40,440
there's nothing like uh jumping 10 feet

2056
01:26:43,129 --> 01:26:41,699
in the air and then landing on your arm

2057
01:26:45,790 --> 01:26:43,139
and you're like oh it's back funny the

2058
01:26:48,110 --> 01:26:45,800
wrong way and gift s

2059
01:26:51,950 --> 01:26:48,120
don't tell Mom you're fine you're fine

2060
01:26:57,110 --> 01:26:51,960
you're fine yeah somebody just shut up

2061
01:26:58,669 --> 01:26:57,120
oh man I'm uh Too Many Memories it's you

2062
01:27:01,370 --> 01:26:58,679
know as long as you're not in in company

2063
01:27:03,410 --> 01:27:01,380
or in fact you know a family or like a a

2064
01:27:05,390 --> 01:27:03,420
parent group where you're the only one

2065
01:27:06,590 --> 01:27:05,400
having fun and everyone else is just

2066
01:27:09,530 --> 01:27:06,600
like so they were like oh God it's

2067
01:27:11,810 --> 01:27:09,540
Denver again like yeah no nothing like

2068
01:27:13,970 --> 01:27:11,820
that you know I mean I'm not going to be

2069
01:27:16,669 --> 01:27:13,980
the creepy dude on the trampoline it's

2070
01:27:19,490 --> 01:27:16,679
just me and like you know 30 kids like

2071
01:27:21,649 --> 01:27:19,500
yeah like you know looking like the dude

2072
01:27:23,810 --> 01:27:21,659
that's hey you want to come and see my

2073
01:27:25,970 --> 01:27:23,820
puppy you know I'm not gonna be that guy

2074
01:27:27,830 --> 01:27:25,980
you know so if other adults are out

2075
01:27:28,550 --> 01:27:27,840
there I'll get out there too but I'm not

2076
01:27:30,470 --> 01:27:28,560
gonna

2077
01:27:31,250 --> 01:27:30,480
I'm not going to be the first one you

2078
01:27:36,590 --> 01:27:31,260
know

2079
01:27:39,290 --> 01:27:36,600
that's why you have to at least

2080
01:27:42,169 --> 01:27:39,300
pick your own spot your own trampoline

2081
01:27:44,570 --> 01:27:42,179
and if other kids come on to that you do

2082
01:27:46,490 --> 01:27:44,580
the bounce where they just go there's no

2083
01:27:49,310 --> 01:27:46,500
problem of course then you're looking

2084
01:27:52,129 --> 01:27:49,320
like you're the guy who throws up

2085
01:27:56,570 --> 01:27:52,139
against around it's like which is worse

2086
01:27:58,189 --> 01:27:56,580
yeah I don't know it's like oh it's like

2087
01:28:00,950 --> 01:27:58,199
man he's got a concussion it's like well

2088
01:28:03,550 --> 01:28:00,960
it could have been worse you know a lot

2089
01:28:09,110 --> 01:28:06,410
like besides religion and especially

2090
01:28:11,570 --> 01:28:09,120
dealing with you know Pentecostal uh

2091
01:28:13,370 --> 01:28:11,580
denominations and Catholicism is its own

2092
01:28:16,850 --> 01:28:13,380
thing and you've got your your Baptists

2093
01:28:18,890 --> 01:28:16,860
and you know what have you like what's

2094
01:28:21,050 --> 01:28:18,900
the main cultural significance that

2095
01:28:23,390 --> 01:28:21,060
you've seen that has come out of the

2096
01:28:29,090 --> 01:28:23,400
giant Mythos not so much in popular

2097
01:28:32,270 --> 01:28:29,100
culture but in terms of just

2098
01:28:33,590 --> 01:28:32,280
like like just in terms of like uh

2099
01:28:35,270 --> 01:28:33,600
I'm going to say at least an

2100
01:28:38,149 --> 01:28:35,280
understanding of the past or trying to

2101
01:28:41,510 --> 01:28:38,159
understand the past or uh at least

2102
01:28:43,910 --> 01:28:41,520
looking at it as myth versus a you know

2103
01:28:46,010 --> 01:28:43,920
a possibility or a potential

2104
01:28:49,490 --> 01:28:46,020
um like scientists they're gonna say

2105
01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:49,500
it's never happened it was a hoax or if

2106
01:28:52,910 --> 01:28:51,360
somebody found some bone and you got

2107
01:28:56,030 --> 01:28:52,920
your you know you're you're far out

2108
01:29:00,169 --> 01:28:56,040
there are individuals who will claim its

2109
01:29:01,850 --> 01:29:00,179
space aliens from from Percy I8 and

2110
01:29:03,830 --> 01:29:01,860
you know they're

2111
01:29:05,629 --> 01:29:03,840
it's they're from the year three

2112
01:29:07,370 --> 01:29:05,639
thousand our time like they're the

2113
01:29:11,330 --> 01:29:07,380
possibilities are endlessly as people

2114
01:29:14,090 --> 01:29:11,340
want to be able to take it have you seen

2115
01:29:16,550 --> 01:29:14,100
it is a much uh larger effect now

2116
01:29:18,950 --> 01:29:16,560
compared to then

2117
01:29:20,870 --> 01:29:18,960
um and like how have you seen it change

2118
01:29:23,629 --> 01:29:20,880
since the book has come out

2119
01:29:26,209 --> 01:29:23,639
well I haven't really noticed any sort

2120
01:29:27,470 --> 01:29:26,219
of change since you know since the book

2121
01:29:31,490 --> 01:29:27,480
came out

2122
01:29:36,890 --> 01:29:33,290
and you know it's not like I wrote

2123
01:29:39,229 --> 01:29:36,900
Chariots of the Gods here and sold you

2124
01:29:41,030 --> 01:29:39,239
know millions of copies or anything you

2125
01:29:43,490 --> 01:29:41,040
know it's just you know the book came

2126
01:29:46,490 --> 01:29:43,500
out with a whimper and you know it is

2127
01:29:48,950 --> 01:29:46,500
what it is but um as far as I would say

2128
01:29:50,930 --> 01:29:48,960
the big cultural change really goes back

2129
01:29:53,990 --> 01:29:50,940
though

2130
01:29:57,410 --> 01:29:54,000
I would say like you know way before I

2131
01:30:00,229 --> 01:29:57,420
was even born right and and one thing I

2132
01:30:03,110 --> 01:30:00,239
point to like with all of these uh giant

2133
01:30:05,629 --> 01:30:03,120
bones um and you know it it wouldn't

2134
01:30:09,410 --> 01:30:05,639
take anything for any of you listening

2135
01:30:11,470 --> 01:30:09,420
out there I mean sit yourself go on um

2136
01:30:13,250 --> 01:30:11,480
what is it that the library of

2137
01:30:16,430 --> 01:30:13,260
congress.gov where you can do their

2138
01:30:20,330 --> 01:30:16,440
newspaper searches or you know on on

2139
01:30:22,490 --> 01:30:20,340
Google archive or or you know uh

2140
01:30:25,090 --> 01:30:22,500
newspaper stock I like any of those old

2141
01:30:27,590 --> 01:30:25,100
uh places that uh you know have these uh

2142
01:30:29,930 --> 01:30:27,600
archived newspapers I mean just find

2143
01:30:32,810 --> 01:30:29,940
dozens and dozens and dozens of these

2144
01:30:35,050 --> 01:30:32,820
old um discoveries of giant bones and

2145
01:30:38,149 --> 01:30:35,060
what you see is

2146
01:30:40,189 --> 01:30:38,159
in most instances I mean they're they're

2147
01:30:44,209 --> 01:30:40,199
written about

2148
01:30:46,010 --> 01:30:44,219
very matter-of-factly and and what I

2149
01:30:47,510 --> 01:30:46,020
mean by that is a lot of times it's just

2150
01:30:49,790 --> 01:30:47,520
it's just um

2151
01:30:51,950 --> 01:30:49,800
not really a big deal you know you'll

2152
01:30:55,490 --> 01:30:51,960
you'll just see like just a little blurb

2153
01:30:58,070 --> 01:30:55,500
right like um like Road workers in

2154
01:31:01,729 --> 01:30:58,080
Sullivan County Virginia

2155
01:31:03,709 --> 01:31:01,739
um under some 36 inch thigh bone and

2156
01:31:06,950 --> 01:31:03,719
that's like it it's just everything is

2157
01:31:10,729 --> 01:31:06,960
is like very matter of fact

2158
01:31:14,510 --> 01:31:10,739
and I think the reason for that is um

2159
01:31:21,590 --> 01:31:17,270
you know the the in in the U.S at least

2160
01:31:24,770 --> 01:31:21,600
I mean it it and you know it used to be

2161
01:31:27,830 --> 01:31:24,780
uh very much that uh people you know

2162
01:31:29,810 --> 01:31:27,840
believed in a literal interpretation of

2163
01:31:31,550 --> 01:31:29,820
the Bible that's um

2164
01:31:34,729 --> 01:31:31,560
that's the exception to the rule

2165
01:31:35,570 --> 01:31:34,739
nowadays right but it was just kind of

2166
01:31:38,750 --> 01:31:35,580
um

2167
01:31:40,250 --> 01:31:38,760
you know like like yeah and and then a

2168
01:31:42,050 --> 01:31:40,260
lot of the the papers it'll be there

2169
01:31:44,209 --> 01:31:42,060
were giants on the earth in those days

2170
01:31:47,390 --> 01:31:44,219
you know like right out of Genesis 6 4

2171
01:31:49,310 --> 01:31:47,400
because people believed um they were

2172
01:31:51,169 --> 01:31:49,320
more Bible believing in those days and

2173
01:31:53,450 --> 01:31:51,179
it's just kind of like well yeah of

2174
01:31:57,290 --> 01:31:53,460
course there there were giants back then

2175
01:31:58,250 --> 01:31:57,300
the Bible says so you know now of course

2176
01:32:00,830 --> 01:31:58,260
um

2177
01:32:04,129 --> 01:32:00,840
a lot of that stuff is is looking at is

2178
01:32:06,649 --> 01:32:04,139
as just myth and um so I think that

2179
01:32:10,669 --> 01:32:06,659
that's probably the the biggest

2180
01:32:11,870 --> 01:32:10,679
um cultural shift as far as as Giants go

2181
01:32:14,390 --> 01:32:11,880
and even

2182
01:32:16,790 --> 01:32:14,400
you know even in a lot of um

2183
01:32:19,910 --> 01:32:16,800
you know what you would call

2184
01:32:22,910 --> 01:32:19,920
um Evangelical or or you know what you'd

2185
01:32:25,610 --> 01:32:22,920
say Bible believe in churches um

2186
01:32:27,110 --> 01:32:25,620
you know I mean a lot of them you know

2187
01:32:29,810 --> 01:32:27,120
don't really even

2188
01:32:31,970 --> 01:32:29,820
that's sort of like the uh what I want

2189
01:32:33,590 --> 01:32:31,980
to say like like the tales of giants

2190
01:32:36,110 --> 01:32:33,600
things like that that's almost sort of

2191
01:32:37,970 --> 01:32:36,120
like the the crazy uncle over at

2192
01:32:40,370 --> 01:32:37,980
Thanksgiving right like nobody really

2193
01:32:41,930 --> 01:32:40,380
wants to you know once you know wants to

2194
01:32:42,709 --> 01:32:41,940
talk to him because

2195
01:32:45,050 --> 01:32:42,719
um

2196
01:32:48,950 --> 01:32:45,060
you know it's kind of I guess kind of

2197
01:32:52,310 --> 01:32:48,960
hard to explain that to um you know to

2198
01:32:53,470 --> 01:32:52,320
to uh to a kid in high school they were

2199
01:32:55,970 --> 01:32:53,480
gonna say Canadian

2200
01:32:58,490 --> 01:32:55,980
Thanksgiving too it's a month earlier

2201
01:32:59,450 --> 01:32:58,500
but we haven't you know

2202
01:33:01,790 --> 01:32:59,460
um

2203
01:33:04,430 --> 01:33:01,800
it

2204
01:33:07,550 --> 01:33:04,440
right like I get that uh

2205
01:33:09,470 --> 01:33:07,560
have you noticed and like I've kind of

2206
01:33:11,090 --> 01:33:09,480
being out of the game a little bit but

2207
01:33:12,890 --> 01:33:11,100
kind of like yeah yeah you get your toe

2208
01:33:14,629 --> 01:33:12,900
dipped into it every now and again you

2209
01:33:17,090 --> 01:33:14,639
things crawl up on your Facebook feed

2210
01:33:19,790 --> 01:33:17,100
and you see what people have in mind and

2211
01:33:21,050 --> 01:33:19,800
what's being talked about and I've

2212
01:33:22,610 --> 01:33:21,060
noticed and I'm not sure if it's just

2213
01:33:25,970 --> 01:33:22,620
because I haven't really been on

2214
01:33:27,770 --> 01:33:25,980
Facebook a lot or they've changed

2215
01:33:31,629 --> 01:33:27,780
like social media channels that they're

2216
01:33:34,209 --> 01:33:31,639
talking on the more

2217
01:33:37,970 --> 01:33:34,219
sensationalized position

2218
01:33:39,470 --> 01:33:37,980
on Giants or the giant Mythos like yo

2219
01:33:41,750 --> 01:33:39,480
those

2220
01:33:43,970 --> 01:33:41,760
um that range of

2221
01:33:45,830 --> 01:33:43,980
stories that have been talked about in

2222
01:33:48,169 --> 01:33:45,840
Ancient Aliens and all the various other

2223
01:33:49,850 --> 01:33:48,179
shows that's all you see right no it's

2224
01:33:52,129 --> 01:33:49,860
it's died like that's what died down

2225
01:33:55,250 --> 01:33:52,139
it's non-existent everything everything

2226
01:33:58,010 --> 01:33:55,260
I have seen has and pretty much any

2227
01:34:00,830 --> 01:33:58,020
field has gone straight into the

2228
01:34:02,149 --> 01:34:00,840
conspiratorial mind it's like the

2229
01:34:04,490 --> 01:34:02,159
subject and then they'll tie it into

2230
01:34:06,290 --> 01:34:04,500
some type of conspiracy theory of

2231
01:34:10,310 --> 01:34:06,300
government or you know whatever and then

2232
01:34:12,649 --> 01:34:10,320
they'll move on to something else and I

2233
01:34:13,850 --> 01:34:12,659
I'm not I'm not sure if it's just based

2234
01:34:16,250 --> 01:34:13,860
on the algorithm but like I haven't

2235
01:34:17,810 --> 01:34:16,260
really seen it that much where you know

2236
01:34:19,669 --> 01:34:17,820
back in the day of course the show was

2237
01:34:22,370 --> 01:34:19,679
happening like two times a week plus

2238
01:34:26,570 --> 01:34:22,380
however many specials it was a lot more

2239
01:34:28,189 --> 01:34:26,580
prevalent then and even from you know

2240
01:34:30,050 --> 01:34:28,199
any of the

2241
01:34:31,669 --> 01:34:30,060
I'm gonna say Public public online

2242
01:34:34,250 --> 01:34:31,679
Publications

2243
01:34:37,070 --> 01:34:34,260
um it it's it's different now I I don't

2244
01:34:38,870 --> 01:34:37,080
know if that is the curated internet

2245
01:34:41,090 --> 01:34:38,880
that's being shown based on search

2246
01:34:43,669 --> 01:34:41,100
history or based on yeah you know like

2247
01:34:46,610 --> 01:34:43,679
like wow you're searching a lot for how

2248
01:34:48,830 --> 01:34:46,620
to smoke back bacon in your barbecue

2249
01:34:50,270 --> 01:34:48,840
kind of thing so like here's you know

2250
01:34:51,410 --> 01:34:50,280
all the talk about that or anything that

2251
01:34:54,290 --> 01:34:51,420
could potentially be related to it

2252
01:34:58,370 --> 01:34:54,300
versus oh here's some cool stuff that

2253
01:34:59,750 --> 01:34:58,380
you know is is we found uh like from

2254
01:35:01,729 --> 01:34:59,760
from your side

2255
01:35:03,410 --> 01:35:01,739
like whether it's Giants whether it's

2256
01:35:06,410 --> 01:35:03,420
it's uh

2257
01:35:08,270 --> 01:35:06,420
you know cryptozoology has like is

2258
01:35:09,350 --> 01:35:08,280
there's one segment over the other that

2259
01:35:11,510 --> 01:35:09,360
has really

2260
01:35:13,370 --> 01:35:11,520
I'm gonna stay Stayed the same or

2261
01:35:15,470 --> 01:35:13,380
consistent with in terms of its tone and

2262
01:35:18,410 --> 01:35:15,480
Reporting or have you noticed more of a

2263
01:35:19,790 --> 01:35:18,420
shift in one area to another

2264
01:35:21,950 --> 01:35:19,800
no you know I hadn't really thought

2265
01:35:26,330 --> 01:35:21,960
about it but um

2266
01:35:29,270 --> 01:35:26,340
yeah I mean it kind of um

2267
01:35:31,490 --> 01:35:29,280
kind of makes sense what you're saying

2268
01:35:37,370 --> 01:35:33,709
as far as uh

2269
01:35:39,830 --> 01:35:37,380
like the giant stuff that comes across

2270
01:35:42,350 --> 01:35:39,840
my feet I mean most of what I see

2271
01:35:46,129 --> 01:35:42,360
nowadays

2272
01:35:49,490 --> 01:35:46,139
is really more like the uh kind of like

2273
01:35:51,050 --> 01:35:49,500
the more outlandish stuff like like for

2274
01:35:54,410 --> 01:35:51,060
every

2275
01:35:56,510 --> 01:35:54,420
good or maybe plausible

2276
01:35:59,209 --> 01:35:56,520
um type deal you know you'll see

2277
01:36:01,550 --> 01:35:59,219
something like uh about the giant of

2278
01:36:03,050 --> 01:36:01,560
Kandahar you know we're uh we're

2279
01:36:06,590 --> 01:36:03,060
supposedly the

2280
01:36:09,350 --> 01:36:06,600
uh Special Forces Unit went into a cave

2281
01:36:12,169 --> 01:36:09,360
in Afghanistan and you know killed this

2282
01:36:14,510 --> 01:36:12,179
15-foot tall Giant and the government's

2283
01:36:16,370 --> 01:36:14,520
covered it up and blah blah blah you

2284
01:36:18,550 --> 01:36:16,380
know yeah you know the kind of stuff

2285
01:36:21,590 --> 01:36:18,560
like that um

2286
01:36:23,750 --> 01:36:21,600
that was the old website back in the day

2287
01:36:26,209 --> 01:36:23,760
well this you know actually the first

2288
01:36:28,550 --> 01:36:26,219
time I heard that story I was uh you

2289
01:36:30,530 --> 01:36:28,560
know driving in into work in the middle

2290
01:36:34,070 --> 01:36:30,540
of the night and it was on Coastal Coast

2291
01:36:37,610 --> 01:36:34,080
was the first time I heard and I don't I

2292
01:36:39,350 --> 01:36:37,620
I you know I uh it's one of those things

2293
01:36:43,070 --> 01:36:39,360
that um

2294
01:36:46,610 --> 01:36:43,080
not a real big believer in but

2295
01:36:48,830 --> 01:36:46,620
um but you know I for like for every

2296
01:36:51,050 --> 01:36:48,840
you know I really don't see a whole lot

2297
01:36:53,689 --> 01:36:51,060
as far as Giants go um

2298
01:36:56,030 --> 01:36:53,699
stuff come across my feed as I used to

2299
01:36:58,310 --> 01:36:56,040
unless it's something you know like real

2300
01:36:59,570 --> 01:36:58,320
outlandish like that I see that and I

2301
01:37:02,330 --> 01:36:59,580
don't know I mean I think some of that

2302
01:37:04,550 --> 01:37:02,340
outlandish stuff just you know gets more

2303
01:37:06,709 --> 01:37:04,560
clicks and you know how it is it's like

2304
01:37:08,990 --> 01:37:06,719
with as far as clicks go the rich get

2305
01:37:11,990 --> 01:37:09,000
richer the poorer get poorer you know it

2306
01:37:14,629 --> 01:37:12,000
just kind of you know my my Facebook

2307
01:37:17,149 --> 01:37:14,639
reach has uh God I had I mean I've got

2308
01:37:20,530 --> 01:37:17,159
more followers on my page now but I had

2309
01:37:23,990 --> 01:37:20,540
way more interactions you know in 2016

2310
01:37:25,610 --> 01:37:24,000
2017 than I do now like yeah unless

2311
01:37:27,590 --> 01:37:25,620
you're doing live you you know like

2312
01:37:30,649 --> 01:37:27,600
you're you're right for real I mean my

2313
01:37:33,890 --> 01:37:30,659
and on Twitter too I mean I mean my uh

2314
01:37:36,530 --> 01:37:33,900
you know my my reach is just plummeted

2315
01:37:38,330 --> 01:37:36,540
you know and um I

2316
01:37:41,030 --> 01:37:38,340
I don't know I guess it's just those

2317
01:37:43,189 --> 01:37:41,040
kooky algorithms and whatever but who

2318
01:37:45,649 --> 01:37:43,199
knows well you need to pay that 13.99

2319
01:37:47,270 --> 01:37:45,659
for that uh and that's the things like

2320
01:37:49,729 --> 01:37:47,280
you know I was telling that to my wife's

2321
01:37:53,750 --> 01:37:49,739
like you know I I think it I thought it

2322
01:37:56,030 --> 01:37:53,760
was so funny when um I I do think it's

2323
01:37:58,550 --> 01:37:56,040
funny I think it's hilarious watching

2324
01:38:00,890 --> 01:37:58,560
all the uh all the blue check mark crowd

2325
01:38:03,350 --> 01:38:00,900
the the way that they cried you know

2326
01:38:05,750 --> 01:38:03,360
about their blue check marks

2327
01:38:08,149 --> 01:38:05,760
that was hilarious you know and that's

2328
01:38:10,010 --> 01:38:08,159
cool but on the other hand I think

2329
01:38:12,649 --> 01:38:10,020
what's going on on Twitter is you know

2330
01:38:14,090 --> 01:38:12,659
everybody else you know it's like you're

2331
01:38:16,310 --> 01:38:14,100
you're you're

2332
01:38:18,410 --> 01:38:16,320
um your reach is being throttled you

2333
01:38:20,270 --> 01:38:18,420
know to try to encourage you to uh you

2334
01:38:23,149 --> 01:38:20,280
know subscribe to Twitter blue and I'm

2335
01:38:26,030 --> 01:38:23,159
not I am not paying for Twitter I mean

2336
01:38:28,490 --> 01:38:26,040
you can put a freaking gun to my head I

2337
01:38:30,709 --> 01:38:28,500
will not ever pay for Twitter I will

2338
01:38:33,770 --> 01:38:30,719
never pay for Facebook I'm just not

2339
01:38:36,229 --> 01:38:33,780
doing it and you can throttle my reach

2340
01:38:38,930 --> 01:38:36,239
all you want but I'm I'm just not doing

2341
01:38:41,450 --> 01:38:38,940
it it's not gonna happen I got to say

2342
01:38:44,689 --> 01:38:41,460
like you know in my

2343
01:38:48,350 --> 01:38:44,699
um like in my field like all I've paid

2344
01:38:49,970 --> 01:38:48,360
for I'm gonna admit it I've paid for

2345
01:38:53,570 --> 01:38:49,980
LinkedIn gold

2346
01:38:56,149 --> 01:38:53,580
or LinkedIn premium because I don't I

2347
01:38:58,070 --> 01:38:56,159
don't even know why but it's different

2348
01:39:00,410 --> 01:38:58,080
than Twitter oh no because you don't

2349
01:39:03,110 --> 01:39:00,420
really need it like I could I could full

2350
01:39:05,270 --> 01:39:03,120
on I have enough uh like I have enough

2351
01:39:06,649 --> 01:39:05,280
followers that I I qualify for the I

2352
01:39:07,970 --> 01:39:06,659
could live stream on LinkedIn which is

2353
01:39:09,350 --> 01:39:07,980
like this big

2354
01:39:10,970 --> 01:39:09,360
like oh my goodness you you can live

2355
01:39:12,470 --> 01:39:10,980
stream like yeah I can live stream of

2356
01:39:15,590 --> 01:39:12,480
you know a couple groups and that's

2357
01:39:17,270 --> 01:39:15,600
that's you know that's great but like

2358
01:39:18,350 --> 01:39:17,280
for them it's a business but look if you

2359
01:39:20,149 --> 01:39:18,360
notice for any of these groups they

2360
01:39:21,770 --> 01:39:20,159
always have their bank accounts in

2361
01:39:24,530 --> 01:39:21,780
Ireland because they don't pay any

2362
01:39:27,350 --> 01:39:24,540
attention so I'm like just sitting there

2363
01:39:28,790 --> 01:39:27,360
going like 98 like I thought I got the

2364
01:39:30,410 --> 01:39:28,800
discount you said I got the discount now

2365
01:39:33,169 --> 01:39:30,420
it's like only it's only for one month

2366
01:39:36,169 --> 01:39:33,179
like well you know forget that noise

2367
01:39:39,050 --> 01:39:36,179
like no I'm done

2368
01:39:40,250 --> 01:39:39,060
um and like like that's that's the weird

2369
01:39:43,370 --> 01:39:40,260
thing about social media because like

2370
01:39:48,169 --> 01:39:43,380
it's it's so different now even to then

2371
01:39:52,790 --> 01:39:48,179
uh where like the app changes randomly I

2372
01:39:57,290 --> 01:39:55,430
I think at one point there was a small

2373
01:40:00,709 --> 01:39:57,300
like a day or two where they were

2374
01:40:02,810 --> 01:40:00,719
testing out uh the chat being integrated

2375
01:40:04,250 --> 01:40:02,820
back into the App instead of having a

2376
01:40:07,010 --> 01:40:04,260
separate messenger

2377
01:40:09,229 --> 01:40:07,020
and I'm like oh my God it's back like I

2378
01:40:13,550 --> 01:40:09,239
haven't seen this since I sideloaded

2379
01:40:15,169 --> 01:40:13,560
Facebook onto my my Blackberry 10. you

2380
01:40:17,750 --> 01:40:15,179
know like I was hoping they'd bring this

2381
01:40:20,390 --> 01:40:17,760
back and they're like oh no it went away

2382
01:40:22,490 --> 01:40:20,400
like okay it's back to messenger uh it's

2383
01:40:24,770 --> 01:40:22,500
fine like I don't

2384
01:40:26,510 --> 01:40:24,780
whether it's it's you know maybe it's

2385
01:40:28,129 --> 01:40:26,520
something that also will go extinct

2386
01:40:29,570 --> 01:40:28,139
maybe it's going to be around for a long

2387
01:40:30,350 --> 01:40:29,580
time

2388
01:40:32,450 --> 01:40:30,360
um

2389
01:40:35,270 --> 01:40:32,460
and I'm William I am going to get your

2390
01:40:39,169 --> 01:40:35,280
question so you know you did ask it a

2391
01:40:43,330 --> 01:40:40,850
what about

2392
01:40:46,970 --> 01:40:43,340
non-water

2393
01:40:49,430 --> 01:40:46,980
terrestrial dinosaurs because that is

2394
01:40:51,530 --> 01:40:49,440
because we got about 20 minutes left so

2395
01:40:53,930 --> 01:40:51,540
I want to make sure we can yeah we can

2396
01:40:55,970 --> 01:40:53,940
cover this yeah I'm a big believer in

2397
01:40:57,530 --> 01:40:55,980
the possibility of that I mean if you

2398
01:41:00,590 --> 01:40:57,540
look at um

2399
01:41:02,689 --> 01:41:00,600
because you live in maquila and bimbe in

2400
01:41:05,209 --> 01:41:02,699
Africa you know you look at some of your

2401
01:41:07,669 --> 01:41:05,219
uh South American

2402
01:41:10,729 --> 01:41:07,679
um you know reports uh you know it just

2403
01:41:12,530 --> 01:41:10,739
uh it certainly seems uh plausible to me

2404
01:41:14,629 --> 01:41:12,540
you know um

2405
01:41:16,850 --> 01:41:14,639
uh you know I

2406
01:41:18,530 --> 01:41:16,860
we had talked about in some of my books

2407
01:41:22,129 --> 01:41:18,540
like when uh oh you have a new one

2408
01:41:23,750 --> 01:41:22,139
coming out and yeah yeah I've actually

2409
01:41:26,090 --> 01:41:23,760
got one coming out it's it's actually

2410
01:41:28,910 --> 01:41:26,100
called living dinosaurs and I get into

2411
01:41:33,050 --> 01:41:28,920
this um you know quite a bit more and

2412
01:41:35,450 --> 01:41:33,060
you know I'm not saying that you know if

2413
01:41:38,090 --> 01:41:35,460
you go out in Amazon it's like Jurassic

2414
01:41:39,830 --> 01:41:38,100
Park and there's T-Rex is gonna eat you

2415
01:41:43,010 --> 01:41:39,840
and all that stuff I'm just saying that

2416
01:41:46,550 --> 01:41:43,020
there could be a few you know stragglers

2417
01:41:48,890 --> 01:41:46,560
you know out there based on well you

2418
01:41:51,470 --> 01:41:48,900
know based on you know some of the uh

2419
01:41:53,450 --> 01:41:51,480
strange reports you get

2420
01:41:56,629 --> 01:41:53,460
and also like we were we were talking

2421
01:41:59,689 --> 01:41:56,639
earlier you know I'm not sure

2422
01:42:02,629 --> 01:41:59,699
I'm not sure our Extinction timelines

2423
01:42:05,530 --> 01:42:02,639
are quite correct I mean I I don't think

2424
01:42:09,229 --> 01:42:05,540
that dinosaurs

2425
01:42:13,030 --> 01:42:09,239
necessarily had to have gone extinct 65

2426
01:42:17,450 --> 01:42:13,040
million years ago if you you know I

2427
01:42:19,070 --> 01:42:17,460
subscribe to a catastrophist

2428
01:42:21,649 --> 01:42:19,080
um point of view you know I think

2429
01:42:24,410 --> 01:42:21,659
catastrophe ladies yeah however you say

2430
01:42:27,530 --> 01:42:24,420
these you know cataclysms pole shifts

2431
01:42:30,770 --> 01:42:27,540
you know Common impacts you know I think

2432
01:42:33,590 --> 01:42:30,780
that these things reset the clock on and

2433
01:42:36,229 --> 01:42:33,600
and you know some of our dating is

2434
01:42:37,790 --> 01:42:36,239
probably not correct and so if you're if

2435
01:42:40,010 --> 01:42:37,800
you're able to kind of look at things

2436
01:42:42,490 --> 01:42:40,020
through that lens

2437
01:42:46,729 --> 01:42:42,500
you know you don't have this

2438
01:42:49,430 --> 01:42:46,739
65 million years hurdle to overcome and

2439
01:42:52,370 --> 01:42:49,440
and moreover

2440
01:42:56,030 --> 01:42:52,380
you know I'm not a scientist right but

2441
01:43:00,109 --> 01:42:56,040
you know I I'm I I do know that we have

2442
01:43:02,689 --> 01:43:00,119
never found a complete dinosaur skeleton

2443
01:43:04,910 --> 01:43:02,699
you know um stegosauruses I think

2444
01:43:08,870 --> 01:43:04,920
they've only found like 80 samples of

2445
01:43:10,850 --> 01:43:08,880
those half of that for T-rex's so I just

2446
01:43:13,729 --> 01:43:10,860
don't think in the first place we even

2447
01:43:16,129 --> 01:43:13,739
know as much about dinosaurs as we think

2448
01:43:18,830 --> 01:43:16,139
we do because everything is just you

2449
01:43:21,109 --> 01:43:18,840
know based on fossils and and a lot of

2450
01:43:24,770 --> 01:43:21,119
times I think some of those dates might

2451
01:43:27,770 --> 01:43:24,780
even be faulty so I think it is entirely

2452
01:43:30,709 --> 01:43:27,780
possible that there's um you know some

2453
01:43:33,649 --> 01:43:30,719
small populations of dinosaurs in you

2454
01:43:35,930 --> 01:43:33,659
know Africa South America probably you

2455
01:43:37,689 --> 01:43:35,940
know places like Papua New Guinea you

2456
01:43:40,310 --> 01:43:37,699
know some of those real

2457
01:43:43,129 --> 01:43:40,320
impenetrable places I mean

2458
01:43:46,070 --> 01:43:43,139
you know I've visited the uh

2459
01:43:49,490 --> 01:43:46,080
um a Preserve in in the Amazon back in

2460
01:43:52,669 --> 01:43:49,500
in 2016 and I mean it was uh it was a

2461
01:43:55,189 --> 01:43:52,679
damn four hour boat ride I mean there's

2462
01:43:58,430 --> 01:43:55,199
there's a four-hour boat ride it's just

2463
01:44:01,250 --> 01:43:58,440
crazy how isolated and everything it is

2464
01:44:02,090 --> 01:44:01,260
and uh I I decided then and there I'm

2465
01:44:03,649 --> 01:44:02,100
not gonna

2466
01:44:05,930 --> 01:44:03,659
I'm not going to rule out the

2467
01:44:08,570 --> 01:44:05,940
possibility of anything when you're in a

2468
01:44:11,030 --> 01:44:08,580
place that's that's that remote

2469
01:44:13,970 --> 01:44:11,040
I mean anything could be there I mean we

2470
01:44:16,490 --> 01:44:13,980
just don't know as much as as we think

2471
01:44:20,030 --> 01:44:16,500
we do about you know our our planet

2472
01:44:23,450 --> 01:44:20,040
about our our past uh you know that's

2473
01:44:27,169 --> 01:44:23,460
just my take on it where are we as a

2474
01:44:29,570 --> 01:44:27,179
society have our heads in our phones a

2475
01:44:30,950 --> 01:44:29,580
lot we don't we've stopped looking up at

2476
01:44:32,390 --> 01:44:30,960
the sky we're looking more at the ground

2477
01:44:35,390 --> 01:44:32,400
when we're looking at our phones we

2478
01:44:38,149 --> 01:44:35,400
don't pay attention to the world like we

2479
01:44:40,450 --> 01:44:38,159
used to uh we're so busy we don't we

2480
01:44:44,030 --> 01:44:40,460
just don't have the the capacity

2481
01:44:45,709 --> 01:44:44,040
advertising is and messaging is brand

2482
01:44:48,770 --> 01:44:45,719
branding is being bombarding us on a

2483
01:44:52,010 --> 01:44:48,780
constant basis which is making it more

2484
01:44:54,169 --> 01:44:52,020
difficult to to you know cut through the

2485
01:44:55,910 --> 01:44:54,179
noise to be able to see the force for

2486
01:44:59,330 --> 01:44:55,920
the tour the trees in the forest we'll

2487
01:45:02,810 --> 01:44:59,340
we'll use that metaphor uh I would say

2488
01:45:04,970 --> 01:45:02,820
that yeah like yeah 100 we don't

2489
01:45:06,830 --> 01:45:04,980
we don't know everything we don't know

2490
01:45:11,030 --> 01:45:06,840
everything about

2491
01:45:13,209 --> 01:45:11,040
right now uh

2492
01:45:16,370 --> 01:45:13,219
you can't necessarily even compare

2493
01:45:18,189 --> 01:45:16,380
things like you know well is you like

2494
01:45:20,689 --> 01:45:18,199
you mentioned wolves are being

2495
01:45:23,090 --> 01:45:20,699
reintroduced into the California

2496
01:45:25,609 --> 01:45:23,100
population uh or at least in in you know

2497
01:45:26,930 --> 01:45:25,619
the American uh the American West and

2498
01:45:29,990 --> 01:45:26,940
they've tracked

2499
01:45:32,149 --> 01:45:30,000
the migration down from you know

2500
01:45:36,350 --> 01:45:32,159
Washington Oregon all the way down into

2501
01:45:38,930 --> 01:45:36,360
to uh the middle of of California but

2502
01:45:41,270 --> 01:45:38,940
you're talking about animals that hunt

2503
01:45:43,450 --> 01:45:41,280
other animals for food you know those

2504
01:45:46,129 --> 01:45:43,460
those animals that are food they migrate

2505
01:45:48,169 --> 01:45:46,139
and most the time you don't even know

2506
01:45:51,050 --> 01:45:48,179
that they're there like

2507
01:45:55,129 --> 01:45:51,060
we have an extent like even here in in

2508
01:45:57,830 --> 01:45:55,139
Western Ottawa which uh that's

2509
01:46:02,629 --> 01:45:57,840
to give everyone an island it's about an

2510
01:46:06,410 --> 01:46:02,639
hour and a half drive at 70 miles south

2511
01:46:08,750 --> 01:46:06,420
west of Montreal which is about four or

2512
01:46:11,209 --> 01:46:08,760
five hours due south of New York City so

2513
01:46:12,830 --> 01:46:11,219
you can do that triangulation uh and our

2514
01:46:16,609 --> 01:46:12,840
city is huge like it's it's

2515
01:46:20,229 --> 01:46:16,619
predominantly a a hybrid Urban and

2516
01:46:23,689 --> 01:46:20,239
suburban and rural area

2517
01:46:27,649 --> 01:46:23,699
and the coyote population is massive

2518
01:46:29,450 --> 01:46:27,659
it's massive and in our area it's a very

2519
01:46:30,350 --> 01:46:29,460
very old neighborhood

2520
01:46:32,870 --> 01:46:30,360
um

2521
01:46:34,970 --> 01:46:32,880
fairly dense as far as neighborhood like

2522
01:46:36,770 --> 01:46:34,980
this would be like not crammed together

2523
01:46:38,149 --> 01:46:36,780
like they are being built now but you

2524
01:46:39,950 --> 01:46:38,159
know this was a pretty high density

2525
01:46:42,890 --> 01:46:39,960
neighborhood way back and when it was

2526
01:46:45,350 --> 01:46:42,900
built in the late 70s early 80s and the

2527
01:46:48,370 --> 01:46:45,360
way that it's laid out we can still see

2528
01:46:50,330 --> 01:46:48,380
coyotes in the area

2529
01:46:51,950 --> 01:46:50,340
depending on the time of year you may

2530
01:46:54,350 --> 01:46:51,960
not see them like just because they're

2531
01:46:56,149 --> 01:46:54,360
so used to avoiding humans they're so

2532
01:46:58,010 --> 01:46:56,159
used to try and not being seen because

2533
01:46:59,149 --> 01:46:58,020
either hunting the pets or they're

2534
01:47:01,790 --> 01:46:59,159
trying to make sure that they're not

2535
01:47:04,490 --> 01:47:01,800
going to get you know not get in danger

2536
01:47:07,070 --> 01:47:04,500
from uh from from the humans around them

2537
01:47:09,350 --> 01:47:07,080
and like we're talking you know running

2538
01:47:12,350 --> 01:47:09,360
through playgrounds through school yards

2539
01:47:14,750 --> 01:47:12,360
they're they're in in family

2540
01:47:16,250 --> 01:47:14,760
neighborhoods with young kids and this

2541
01:47:19,490 --> 01:47:16,260
is their natural habitat we've just

2542
01:47:21,229 --> 01:47:19,500
encroached into in on it uh but like a

2543
01:47:22,250 --> 01:47:21,239
lot of times we don't see tracks now if

2544
01:47:23,750 --> 01:47:22,260
you're not a Tracker you don't know what

2545
01:47:25,669 --> 01:47:23,760
they are they're not leaving a lot of

2546
01:47:27,709 --> 01:47:25,679
fur the only way that we know that

2547
01:47:30,490 --> 01:47:27,719
they're there is because there's so many

2548
01:47:33,229 --> 01:47:30,500
of them because there's so many of us

2549
01:47:35,570 --> 01:47:33,239
and you know they're they're moving

2550
01:47:38,270 --> 01:47:35,580
around on a constant basis if you're

2551
01:47:41,450 --> 01:47:38,280
talking about tracks of land in

2552
01:47:43,490 --> 01:47:41,460
California or you know the Midwest the

2553
01:47:45,950 --> 01:47:43,500
United States is the third or fourth

2554
01:47:48,830 --> 01:47:45,960
like it's it's you know uh

2555
01:47:50,570 --> 01:47:48,840
Russia Canada China and the United

2556
01:47:54,770 --> 01:47:50,580
States and then Australia those like the

2557
01:47:57,229 --> 01:47:54,780
the topic five singular countries and

2558
01:47:59,990 --> 01:47:57,239
that's that's a massive landmass how

2559
01:48:03,050 --> 01:48:00,000
long does it take you to drive from one

2560
01:48:04,790 --> 01:48:03,060
end of the U.S to another and in that

2561
01:48:07,910 --> 01:48:04,800
time

2562
01:48:09,649 --> 01:48:07,920
when what is the longest point where you

2563
01:48:12,770 --> 01:48:09,659
don't actually see anything or another

2564
01:48:15,290 --> 01:48:12,780
car or you know another store a gas

2565
01:48:16,430 --> 01:48:15,300
station you're talking like hundreds and

2566
01:48:18,890 --> 01:48:16,440
hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of

2567
01:48:21,950 --> 01:48:18,900
miles where you're only through that

2568
01:48:24,229 --> 01:48:21,960
section for 10 20 minutes you may be one

2569
01:48:26,689 --> 01:48:24,239
of only one person every couple of hours

2570
01:48:28,010 --> 01:48:26,699
who makes that trip how is it you can

2571
01:48:29,229 --> 01:48:28,020
make the determination if there is

2572
01:48:31,490 --> 01:48:29,239
something there that you don't know

2573
01:48:33,410 --> 01:48:31,500
there are species that we are still

2574
01:48:35,689 --> 01:48:33,420
finding there are species that we

2575
01:48:38,330 --> 01:48:35,699
thought that are extinct that we are

2576
01:48:40,550 --> 01:48:38,340
still finding so yeah like if you you

2577
01:48:43,370 --> 01:48:40,560
take a continent the size of Africa

2578
01:48:45,590 --> 01:48:43,380
which we don't even know and can't

2579
01:48:47,570 --> 01:48:45,600
conceive how big it is because our

2580
01:48:50,450 --> 01:48:47,580
entire frame of reference is built

2581
01:48:52,910 --> 01:48:50,460
around the Mercator uh projection which

2582
01:48:57,109 --> 01:48:52,920
makes it look smaller than Greenland

2583
01:49:00,830 --> 01:48:57,119
I'm like I'm sorry like African big huge

2584
01:49:02,209 --> 01:49:00,840
it's huge yeah it's like they're like

2585
01:49:03,470 --> 01:49:02,219
what are some of the reports of

2586
01:49:05,209 --> 01:49:03,480
dinosaurs Coming Out of Africa

2587
01:49:06,470 --> 01:49:05,219
especially around you know like Congo

2588
01:49:08,510 --> 01:49:06,480
because I know I know I've heard there's

2589
01:49:10,970 --> 01:49:08,520
some crazy stories out there yeah well

2590
01:49:14,930 --> 01:49:10,980
in in the Congo there's uh you know

2591
01:49:17,270 --> 01:49:14,940
supposedly a sauropod dinosaur it's uh

2592
01:49:19,790 --> 01:49:17,280
it's got a name mokille and bimbe is

2593
01:49:23,149 --> 01:49:19,800
what they call it I mean uh well I guess

2594
01:49:23,990 --> 01:49:23,159
it's got variant names too but there's

2595
01:49:26,570 --> 01:49:24,000
um

2596
01:49:28,310 --> 01:49:26,580
I mean there's been reports of that I

2597
01:49:31,850 --> 01:49:28,320
mean since um

2598
01:49:34,070 --> 01:49:31,860
gosh since the earliest days of uh you

2599
01:49:36,709 --> 01:49:34,080
know French missionaries in in the area

2600
01:49:40,189 --> 01:49:36,719
spoke of these you know enormous uh

2601
01:49:42,430 --> 01:49:40,199
reptilian tracks and um you know those

2602
01:49:46,850 --> 01:49:42,440
stories uh

2603
01:49:49,729 --> 01:49:46,860
even to this day of people spotting you

2604
01:49:54,709 --> 01:49:49,739
know like like a small dinosaur there's

2605
01:49:57,229 --> 01:49:54,719
uh there's also been reports that um

2606
01:50:00,050 --> 01:49:57,239
you know sound a lot like you know what

2607
01:50:02,330 --> 01:50:00,060
you think of of a stegosaur there you

2608
01:50:05,629 --> 01:50:02,340
know where uh they say that there's this

2609
01:50:09,410 --> 01:50:05,639
large reptile-like creature with planks

2610
01:50:13,250 --> 01:50:09,420
growing out of its back you know um

2611
01:50:16,629 --> 01:50:13,260
there's other reports that uh

2612
01:50:19,729 --> 01:50:16,639
sound a lot like uh you know like a

2613
01:50:22,609 --> 01:50:19,739
Triceratops uh you know from there I

2614
01:50:24,790 --> 01:50:22,619
mean who knows maybe those could you

2615
01:50:27,169 --> 01:50:24,800
know it could just be some kind of uh

2616
01:50:29,030 --> 01:50:27,179
rhinoceros or something we don't know

2617
01:50:31,729 --> 01:50:29,040
about but you know if there's a species

2618
01:50:33,590 --> 01:50:31,739
of rhinoceros that we don't know about I

2619
01:50:36,070 --> 01:50:33,600
mean that's pretty cool too right I mean

2620
01:50:37,970 --> 01:50:36,080
that that's no less um

2621
01:50:40,010 --> 01:50:37,980
incredible

2622
01:50:42,350 --> 01:50:40,020
um you know is my point and there

2623
01:50:46,030 --> 01:50:42,360
there's a lot of those type of stories

2624
01:50:49,250 --> 01:50:46,040
in in South America you know and um

2625
01:50:51,229 --> 01:50:49,260
back in the back in the old days like uh

2626
01:50:53,930 --> 01:50:51,239
you know when the rubber trade was going

2627
01:50:56,270 --> 01:50:53,940
on and and people were you know pushing

2628
01:50:58,129 --> 01:50:56,280
way into the interior

2629
01:51:00,890 --> 01:50:58,139
you know there were these Tales coming

2630
01:51:03,050 --> 01:51:00,900
out of you know just sound I mean they

2631
01:51:05,570 --> 01:51:03,060
just fit the description of you know

2632
01:51:08,390 --> 01:51:05,580
like small dinosaurs and by small

2633
01:51:12,350 --> 01:51:08,400
dinosaurs I'm talking you know 18 20

2634
01:51:15,530 --> 01:51:12,360
feet long uh not quite what you'd see on

2635
01:51:17,870 --> 01:51:15,540
the Jurassic Park movies but uh you know

2636
01:51:19,430 --> 01:51:17,880
bigger than a reptile you should you

2637
01:51:23,270 --> 01:51:19,440
would think you would be seeing you know

2638
01:51:24,950 --> 01:51:23,280
I'm up here the largest bird like like

2639
01:51:27,950 --> 01:51:24,960
we're starting to get like even up here

2640
01:51:31,189 --> 01:51:27,960
in in Ottawa we're starting to get uh a

2641
01:51:33,709 --> 01:51:31,199
lot of bald eagle nesting which is great

2642
01:51:34,850 --> 01:51:33,719
and they're Majestic and you know you're

2643
01:51:36,890 --> 01:51:34,860
up at the college and you see like this

2644
01:51:38,629 --> 01:51:36,900
bald eagle you know it's just sitting up

2645
01:51:40,490 --> 01:51:38,639
there and you see this other small bird

2646
01:51:43,030 --> 01:51:40,500
just dive bombing it constantly trying

2647
01:51:45,530 --> 01:51:43,040
to get it away from its nest

2648
01:51:46,609 --> 01:51:45,540
kids are in the water you're like grab

2649
01:51:50,689 --> 01:51:46,619
the kids

2650
01:51:52,490 --> 01:51:50,699
make sure it's safe I know in in and and

2651
01:51:55,189 --> 01:51:52,500
if you if you don't get a picture of it

2652
01:51:57,169 --> 01:51:55,199
most people be like oh you know like oh

2653
01:51:58,669 --> 01:51:57,179
yeah right sure oh yeah there's there's

2654
01:52:01,010 --> 01:51:58,679
not they're like no well now there's oh

2655
01:52:02,209 --> 01:52:01,020
it's just a Hulk yeah like no I know

2656
01:52:04,729 --> 01:52:02,219
what a hawk looks like I know what a

2657
01:52:06,350 --> 01:52:04,739
turkey vulture looks like he has a hawk

2658
01:52:07,850 --> 01:52:06,360
fly straight turkey vulture looks a

2659
01:52:10,490 --> 01:52:07,860
little bit uneven if it's doing this

2660
01:52:12,350 --> 01:52:10,500
it's probably a turkey vulture uh like

2661
01:52:15,649 --> 01:52:12,360
in Africa there I know there are reports

2662
01:52:19,550 --> 01:52:15,659
of like winged dinosaur like huge either

2663
01:52:21,050 --> 01:52:19,560
it's a giant bird or some type of you

2664
01:52:23,590 --> 01:52:21,060
know prehistoric because like the

2665
01:52:26,870 --> 01:52:23,600
report's coming out of there are are

2666
01:52:29,750 --> 01:52:26,880
we're talking you know I think the the

2667
01:52:32,030 --> 01:52:29,760
1800s 1850s when they first started

2668
01:52:33,890 --> 01:52:32,040
pushing into the interior

2669
01:52:37,129 --> 01:52:33,900
um like the reports are coming out that

2670
01:52:39,890 --> 01:52:37,139
they were having sightings of these

2671
01:52:41,990 --> 01:52:39,900
massive you know like massive leathered

2672
01:52:44,870 --> 01:52:42,000
winged Rangers

2673
01:52:46,669 --> 01:52:44,880
yeah I mean for for lack of a better

2674
01:52:48,530 --> 01:52:46,679
description I mean it sounds like you

2675
01:52:50,510 --> 01:52:48,540
know what you think of with pterosaurs

2676
01:52:53,270 --> 01:52:50,520
you know Coming Out of Africa a lot of

2677
01:52:56,149 --> 01:52:53,280
your real good reports I mean a lot of

2678
01:52:58,729 --> 01:52:56,159
them come out of like Papua New Guinea I

2679
01:53:01,910 --> 01:52:58,739
mean tons of them down there

2680
01:53:03,830 --> 01:53:01,920
and you know you just think of uh like

2681
01:53:05,990 --> 01:53:03,840
these places you know like how remote

2682
01:53:07,850 --> 01:53:06,000
they are and I mean I just can't think

2683
01:53:09,530 --> 01:53:07,860
of a good reason

2684
01:53:12,169 --> 01:53:09,540
you know why something like that

2685
01:53:14,570 --> 01:53:12,179
couldn't exist I mean and I think the

2686
01:53:19,609 --> 01:53:14,580
you know the main reason that people are

2687
01:53:23,570 --> 01:53:19,619
are so hesitant is just that you know we

2688
01:53:25,570 --> 01:53:23,580
know dinosaurs went extinct 65 million

2689
01:53:28,790 --> 01:53:25,580
years ago

2690
01:53:31,609 --> 01:53:28,800
and you know it's just we're just so

2691
01:53:33,709 --> 01:53:31,619
conditioned you know to to just outright

2692
01:53:35,750 --> 01:53:33,719
reject anything that that that's

2693
01:53:38,689 --> 01:53:35,760
contrary to you know what we've had

2694
01:53:40,189 --> 01:53:38,699
pounded into our heads you know since I

2695
01:53:42,050 --> 01:53:40,199
mean gosh I mean since we were little

2696
01:53:43,970 --> 01:53:42,060
kids really

2697
01:53:47,149 --> 01:53:43,980
and you know I just think that that's

2698
01:53:50,390 --> 01:53:47,159
why uh why people reject it I mean I I

2699
01:53:54,430 --> 01:53:50,400
think there's really a lot of credible

2700
01:53:57,290 --> 01:53:54,440
credible reports I mean

2701
01:53:59,990 --> 01:53:57,300
evidence-wise I mean like you know I

2702
01:54:01,370 --> 01:54:00,000
mean if it's just a small number of

2703
01:54:03,410 --> 01:54:01,380
these things I mean it's I mean it's

2704
01:54:06,770 --> 01:54:03,420
really the proverbial needle in the

2705
01:54:08,570 --> 01:54:06,780
haystack I mean there's there if you

2706
01:54:10,669 --> 01:54:08,580
could prove they exist right I mean

2707
01:54:12,950 --> 01:54:10,679
they're they're probably critically

2708
01:54:17,570 --> 01:54:12,960
critically endangered so there's

2709
01:54:19,930 --> 01:54:17,580
couldn't be many of them and it it it's

2710
01:54:23,510 --> 01:54:19,940
really would be tough to to

2711
01:54:27,290 --> 01:54:23,520
improve scientifically good enough you

2712
01:54:29,990 --> 01:54:27,300
know to show me the body criteria it's

2713
01:54:31,609 --> 01:54:30,000
almost impossible and especially since

2714
01:54:33,470 --> 01:54:31,619
everybody looking for these I mean

2715
01:54:35,390 --> 01:54:33,480
they're you know you're doing it on your

2716
01:54:38,149 --> 01:54:35,400
own dime it's it's you know it's not

2717
01:54:41,629 --> 01:54:38,159
like you can just go to the grant store

2718
01:54:44,149 --> 01:54:41,639
and and get some money to you know to to

2719
01:54:46,129 --> 01:54:44,159
spend years looking for these things you

2720
01:54:47,629 --> 01:54:46,139
know I guess if they you got a store for

2721
01:54:50,030 --> 01:54:47,639
that I got some beans to sell you and

2722
01:54:52,490 --> 01:54:50,040
then we can go find some Giants

2723
01:54:54,830 --> 01:54:52,500
um you know and I'm I'm not saying you

2724
01:54:56,810 --> 01:54:54,840
know like if if you know if you're the

2725
01:54:58,910 --> 01:54:56,820
the colleges or you know the government

2726
01:55:02,270 --> 01:54:58,920
I mean I get it you know you're gonna

2727
01:55:05,629 --> 01:55:02,280
hand out the money to you know the other

2728
01:55:08,090 --> 01:55:05,639
stuff I I totally get it I'm not I'm not

2729
01:55:10,850 --> 01:55:08,100
criticizing a lack of Interest or a lack

2730
01:55:13,729 --> 01:55:10,860
of funding I mean you know but um the

2731
01:55:18,470 --> 01:55:13,739
you know the point being it's just a um

2732
01:55:21,109 --> 01:55:18,480
it would a remarkable challenge to um to

2733
01:55:23,930 --> 01:55:21,119
try to even get enough evidence to drum

2734
01:55:25,790 --> 01:55:23,940
up enough interest like to get some

2735
01:55:27,649 --> 01:55:25,800
funding you know what I'm saying if that

2736
01:55:28,729 --> 01:55:27,659
makes sense I remember there was one

2737
01:55:31,629 --> 01:55:28,739
show

2738
01:55:34,490 --> 01:55:31,639
um I forget exactly what year it was

2739
01:55:36,590 --> 01:55:34,500
there was a production company that was

2740
01:55:39,709 --> 01:55:36,600
going around to

2741
01:55:42,169 --> 01:55:39,719
various like personalities and somehow

2742
01:55:44,510 --> 01:55:42,179
they decided to approach me and said hey

2743
01:55:46,910 --> 01:55:44,520
we're shooting this show that's kind of

2744
01:55:50,149 --> 01:55:46,920
like the Dragon's Den but with

2745
01:55:52,790 --> 01:55:50,159
paranormal style situations so like

2746
01:55:55,910 --> 01:55:52,800
people who like oh you know I'm gonna

2747
01:55:58,189 --> 01:55:55,920
you know dig up this ocher island not

2748
01:55:59,689 --> 01:55:58,199
Oak Island and you know this is my plan

2749
01:56:01,010 --> 01:55:59,699
and then you know it's either say I'm

2750
01:56:02,750 --> 01:56:01,020
out or I'm in or you try and fund it

2751
01:56:04,010 --> 01:56:02,760
what have you and I'm like oh this

2752
01:56:06,350 --> 01:56:04,020
sounds interesting so I told them what I

2753
01:56:08,870 --> 01:56:06,360
was about I'm like

2754
01:56:10,129 --> 01:56:08,880
it's more of the we like the Mysteries

2755
01:56:12,350 --> 01:56:10,139
but we try and look at it from The

2756
01:56:14,090 --> 01:56:12,360
Logical side of things and yeah explain

2757
01:56:17,209 --> 01:56:14,100
the philosophies like yeah I don't this

2758
01:56:19,129 --> 01:56:17,219
isn't gonna work man yeah one of those

2759
01:56:23,570 --> 01:56:19,139
gosh like oh

2760
01:56:26,030 --> 01:56:23,580
two or three PVP to have contacted me

2761
01:56:27,590 --> 01:56:26,040
over the years and like the last one I

2762
01:56:31,669 --> 01:56:27,600
just kind of got sick of it I'm like

2763
01:56:34,189 --> 01:56:31,679
look I'm not interested in doing a show

2764
01:56:36,169 --> 01:56:34,199
like where I go out in the woods in the

2765
01:56:39,050 --> 01:56:36,179
middle of the night and I don't know

2766
01:56:41,510 --> 01:56:39,060
what was that did you hear that I'm just

2767
01:56:43,370 --> 01:56:41,520
not interested in that stupid [\h__\h]

2768
01:56:45,770 --> 01:56:43,380
or you know there's enough of that

2769
01:56:48,709 --> 01:56:45,780
there's you know the Market's flooded

2770
01:56:50,570 --> 01:56:48,719
with that stuff it's stupid it's not

2771
01:56:52,669 --> 01:56:50,580
interesting and I just I'm just not

2772
01:56:55,430 --> 01:56:52,679
interested in it and then they kind of

2773
01:56:57,950 --> 01:56:55,440
left me alone after that

2774
01:56:59,930 --> 01:56:57,960
uh it's I I would have I would have

2775
01:57:01,609 --> 01:56:59,940
killed to have seen that actually it's

2776
01:57:04,669 --> 01:57:01,619
like what was that it's like I'm sorry

2777
01:57:08,149 --> 01:57:04,679
it's just a bag yeah I'm just you know I

2778
01:57:10,310 --> 01:57:08,159
mean like like for one I mean I I think

2779
01:57:12,669 --> 01:57:10,320
a lot of these shows that that film

2780
01:57:15,830 --> 01:57:12,679
their stuff at night I mean it's it's

2781
01:57:17,330 --> 01:57:15,840
just for it's just for reality I think

2782
01:57:19,910 --> 01:57:17,340
all your Bigfoot shows I think the

2783
01:57:22,310 --> 01:57:19,920
reason that they started doing it was

2784
01:57:24,830 --> 01:57:22,320
because of the um all of the ghost

2785
01:57:27,490 --> 01:57:24,840
hunting shows that kind of proceeded

2786
01:57:29,750 --> 01:57:27,500
those you know

2787
01:57:32,510 --> 01:57:29,760
the ghost hunting shows they would do

2788
01:57:34,570 --> 01:57:32,520
their investigations at night and you

2789
01:57:36,950 --> 01:57:34,580
know you don't really need to do ghost

2790
01:57:38,450 --> 01:57:36,960
investigations at night I mean it works

2791
01:57:40,970 --> 01:57:38,460
in the daytime too

2792
01:57:42,290 --> 01:57:40,980
but you know as far as Bigfoot goes I

2793
01:57:44,570 --> 01:57:42,300
mean a lot of people think it's

2794
01:57:48,050 --> 01:57:44,580
nocturnal but I mean

2795
01:57:50,030 --> 01:57:48,060
you know even even if it does mostly

2796
01:57:53,570 --> 01:57:50,040
move at night I mean

2797
01:57:56,810 --> 01:57:53,580
like once you shine your flashlight

2798
01:57:58,729 --> 01:57:56,820
you can forget about finding anything I

2799
01:58:00,950 --> 01:57:58,739
mean serious and you got all this camera

2800
01:58:02,270 --> 01:58:00,960
equipment people stumbling around in the

2801
01:58:04,430 --> 01:58:02,280
woods where

2802
01:58:07,129 --> 01:58:04,440
you know you're making all this noise I

2803
01:58:08,870 --> 01:58:07,139
mean you know to me the best way is to

2804
01:58:11,089 --> 01:58:08,880
you know just kind of slip in in the

2805
01:58:13,550 --> 01:58:11,099
daytime where you can see but that

2806
01:58:14,870 --> 01:58:13,560
doesn't make for you know just just kind

2807
01:58:16,669 --> 01:58:14,880
of walking around in the woods and

2808
01:58:18,589 --> 01:58:16,679
looking for signs that that doesn't

2809
01:58:21,770 --> 01:58:18,599
really make for a good television though

2810
01:58:23,450 --> 01:58:21,780
oh and that I find books tend to provide

2811
01:58:24,950 --> 01:58:23,460
a much better way to pass the time

2812
01:58:27,050 --> 01:58:24,960
that's better for the brain you know

2813
01:58:28,129 --> 01:58:27,060
it's yeah we got to read more books or

2814
01:58:29,750 --> 01:58:28,139
at least if you're not going to read

2815
01:58:33,290 --> 01:58:29,760
more books

2816
01:58:37,330 --> 01:58:33,300
you know read more PDFs on your phone of

2817
01:58:39,830 --> 01:58:37,340
books or you know epubs or more

2818
01:58:41,450 --> 01:58:39,840
audiobooks or audiobooks and you know

2819
01:58:44,209 --> 01:58:41,460
just just before because we're we got

2820
01:58:46,490 --> 01:58:44,219
about a minute left uh

2821
01:58:47,990 --> 01:58:46,500
where can people find your work

2822
01:58:51,290 --> 01:58:48,000
because I know that you're on Audible

2823
01:58:53,570 --> 01:58:51,300
you're on Amazon you can order directly

2824
01:58:56,810 --> 01:58:53,580
through your through your website

2825
01:58:59,990 --> 01:58:56,820
uh best thing I just tell people go to

2826
01:59:02,570 --> 01:59:00,000
Amazon anything I do you can you can

2827
01:59:05,330 --> 01:59:02,580
find on Amazon and uh that's that's

2828
01:59:07,430 --> 01:59:05,340
probably the easiest way uh you can

2829
01:59:10,810 --> 01:59:07,440
learn about any of my books either on my

2830
01:59:12,890 --> 01:59:10,820
Amazon page a website

2831
01:59:15,169 --> 01:59:12,900
denvermichaels.net I got all my books

2832
01:59:18,229 --> 01:59:15,179
listed there I write a um

2833
01:59:20,450 --> 01:59:18,239
a blog or sometimes two a week so

2834
01:59:24,050 --> 01:59:20,460
there's uh some reading material for you

2835
01:59:26,030 --> 01:59:24,060
uh there other than my books and um you

2836
01:59:29,030 --> 01:59:26,040
can follow me on Twitter

2837
01:59:31,910 --> 01:59:29,040
um Facebook and I have a YouTube channel

2838
01:59:34,609 --> 01:59:31,920
so you can check me out there too

2839
01:59:36,530 --> 01:59:34,619
the videos are are quite good I gotta

2840
01:59:38,510 --> 01:59:36,540
say so go check those out ladies and

2841
01:59:40,310 --> 01:59:38,520
gentlemen uh I

2842
01:59:43,070 --> 01:59:40,320
don't know when this will be going up on

2843
01:59:45,709 --> 01:59:43,080
audio I'm probably for this series of of

2844
01:59:48,950 --> 01:59:45,719
or this new series or to call this like

2845
01:59:51,890 --> 01:59:48,960
season two the Next Generation Neo den

2846
01:59:54,709 --> 01:59:51,900
of lore uh den of lore 2 Electric

2847
01:59:58,129 --> 01:59:54,719
Boogaloo help me out here send me your

2848
02:00:00,649 --> 01:59:58,139
names to info denoflore.com or contact

2849
02:00:02,390 --> 02:00:00,659
or call me at Klondike five no it's

2850
02:00:04,970 --> 02:00:02,400
kidding I don't don't have a phone

2851
02:00:07,689 --> 02:00:04,980
number that you can call uh next week on

2852
02:00:11,629 --> 02:00:07,699
the show for those of you who want to

2853
02:00:13,609 --> 02:00:11,639
know we have another old friend of den

2854
02:00:16,070 --> 02:00:13,619
of Laura coming back it's it's like the

2855
02:00:18,770 --> 02:00:16,080
classics of the classics one of my

2856
02:00:21,830 --> 02:00:18,780
favorites interviews of all time which

2857
02:00:23,750 --> 02:00:21,840
happened shortly after yours which was

2858
02:00:26,709 --> 02:00:23,760
Ross Hamilton

2859
02:00:30,950 --> 02:00:26,719
oh he's coming back he's coming back

2860
02:00:32,870 --> 02:00:30,960
I gotta Ross is one of the re nobody he

2861
02:00:34,609 --> 02:00:32,880
was one of the reasons why

2862
02:00:36,410 --> 02:00:34,619
I started the show back up because like

2863
02:00:38,030 --> 02:00:36,420
Ross

2864
02:00:40,729 --> 02:00:38,040
several months back or maybe it was like

2865
02:00:45,010 --> 02:00:40,739
within the last year and he texts me out

2866
02:00:48,709 --> 02:00:45,020
of the blue and he's like Chris like yes

2867
02:00:51,109 --> 02:00:48,719
yes Mr Hamilton how are you doing how's

2868
02:00:54,649 --> 02:00:51,119
everybody how you know like how are you

2869
02:00:57,410 --> 02:00:54,659
holding up and he's like okay like

2870
02:01:00,010 --> 02:00:57,420
are you still doing the show and I'm

2871
02:01:03,669 --> 02:01:02,570
like no

2872
02:01:07,850 --> 02:01:03,679
um

2873
02:01:10,390 --> 02:01:07,860
I'm thinking about it now because that

2874
02:01:14,930 --> 02:01:10,400
was probably one of the funnest times

2875
02:01:18,050 --> 02:01:14,940
like like Alex and I were we sat there

2876
02:01:21,050 --> 02:01:18,060
and this was back in the old days when I

2877
02:01:22,970 --> 02:01:21,060
did not have kids I was don't think I

2878
02:01:24,950 --> 02:01:22,980
was married at the time and you know

2879
02:01:29,570 --> 02:01:24,960
Alex and I would go through 26 or Glenn

2880
02:01:35,709 --> 02:01:33,229
and our mind was absolutely blown

2881
02:01:38,510 --> 02:01:35,719
I don't know what what is

2882
02:01:42,169 --> 02:01:38,520
we'll wait and see ladies and gentlemen

2883
02:01:44,390 --> 02:01:42,179
same time same channel next week check

2884
02:01:46,430 --> 02:01:44,400
it out here on the dental art yeah

2885
02:01:49,310 --> 02:01:46,440
that'll be cool I will definitely tune

2886
02:01:51,229 --> 02:01:49,320
in for that it's gonna be fantastic I

2887
02:01:53,270 --> 02:01:51,239
don't have ouch let me give you a quick

2888
02:01:55,910 --> 02:01:53,280
suggestion too if you want to do a good

2889
02:01:58,430 --> 02:01:55,920
one of the most fun shows you did back

2890
02:02:00,830 --> 02:01:58,440
in the old days I'm not going to say his

2891
02:02:05,629 --> 02:02:00,840
name you know but uh remember the

2892
02:02:11,209 --> 02:02:08,990
the one yes that we were like all

2893
02:02:13,189 --> 02:02:11,219
killing in the chat you had a couple

2894
02:02:14,390 --> 02:02:13,199
water pump guys but you know who I'm

2895
02:02:16,430 --> 02:02:14,400
talking I know who I'm talking about

2896
02:02:18,350 --> 02:02:16,440
because he was being like real combative

2897
02:02:21,470 --> 02:02:18,360
with you and in the chat we were just

2898
02:02:23,270 --> 02:02:21,480
like crushing him that was so fun well

2899
02:02:25,310 --> 02:02:23,280
okay the thing is like there there's an

2900
02:02:27,530 --> 02:02:25,320
entire and one of the reasons behind

2901
02:02:29,330 --> 02:02:27,540
that for anybody who wants to listen is

2902
02:02:32,870 --> 02:02:29,340
um it's not that I have a victim complex

2903
02:02:36,169 --> 02:02:32,880
I have not even a persecution complex I

2904
02:02:37,810 --> 02:02:36,179
do not like people who are blatantly

2905
02:02:41,510 --> 02:02:37,820
unethical

2906
02:02:43,430 --> 02:02:41,520
or I guess you know like if

2907
02:02:45,290 --> 02:02:43,440
scam artists people who take advantage

2908
02:02:46,850 --> 02:02:45,300
of other people knowingly unknowingly

2909
02:02:48,229 --> 02:02:46,860
whether it's individuals large groups

2910
02:02:51,050 --> 02:02:48,239
it's it's like it's like not cool like

2911
02:02:53,689 --> 02:02:51,060
keep it above board don't be you know

2912
02:02:55,910 --> 02:02:53,699
like don't be a skeeze don't steal from

2913
02:02:57,770 --> 02:02:55,920
people don't outright lie or cheat

2914
02:03:00,169 --> 02:02:57,780
people it was just the way that I was

2915
02:03:04,729 --> 02:03:00,179
raised and and I try and hold that out

2916
02:03:05,570 --> 02:03:04,739
right and the individual in question

2917
02:03:08,689 --> 02:03:05,580
um

2918
02:03:11,510 --> 02:03:08,699
from what I had been told from the

2919
02:03:13,609 --> 02:03:11,520
people who were victims of it

2920
02:03:16,129 --> 02:03:13,619
it's like basically essentially there

2921
02:03:19,070 --> 02:03:16,139
was some uh theft of either intellectual

2922
02:03:20,810 --> 02:03:19,080
property rights or monetary rights

2923
02:03:23,149 --> 02:03:20,820
through either I forget the exact

2924
02:03:25,669 --> 02:03:23,159
situation but it was like he was selling

2925
02:03:27,169 --> 02:03:25,679
the book of somebody else as his own or

2926
02:03:28,370 --> 02:03:27,179
is selling the book and just Paul that

2927
02:03:30,169 --> 02:03:28,380
who was somebody else's and just

2928
02:03:33,350 --> 02:03:30,179
pocketing the money

2929
02:03:37,790 --> 02:03:33,360
um and again there's the whole uh um you

2930
02:03:40,149 --> 02:03:37,800
know his outright bad meaning of a

2931
02:03:42,470 --> 02:03:40,159
certain other friend of the show and

2932
02:03:43,970 --> 02:03:42,480
basically it just it just got to the

2933
02:03:46,850 --> 02:03:43,980
point where he would like pop up in

2934
02:03:49,189 --> 02:03:46,860
conversations and I would just just go

2935
02:03:51,050 --> 02:03:49,199
to town on him and like I would get

2936
02:03:52,850 --> 02:03:51,060
somebody else who'd be coming out of the

2937
02:03:54,890 --> 02:03:52,860
show a good friend of the show uh John

2938
02:03:56,089 --> 02:03:54,900
Cadman it's like he was just going like

2939
02:03:58,070 --> 02:03:56,099
we were talking about the water pump and

2940
02:03:59,689 --> 02:03:58,080
he'd have his theory I'm like and I

2941
02:04:01,550 --> 02:03:59,699
would just completely destroy him with

2942
02:04:04,189 --> 02:04:01,560
logic and he'd be like well that doesn't

2943
02:04:06,050 --> 02:04:04,199
make any sense I'm like well let's talk

2944
02:04:08,089 --> 02:04:06,060
to the expert I'd like tag John cabin

2945
02:04:10,310 --> 02:04:08,099
he'd come in and just continue on and

2946
02:04:11,570 --> 02:04:10,320
you know it's hours of entertainment my

2947
02:04:15,109 --> 02:04:11,580
wife's just sitting there going like are

2948
02:04:18,649 --> 02:04:15,119
are you winning yet son you know like

2949
02:04:20,570 --> 02:04:18,659
and it's it's it was good fun times but

2950
02:04:21,770 --> 02:04:20,580
you really like I'm just like nowadays

2951
02:04:23,930 --> 02:04:21,780
like I don't know the time I don't have

2952
02:04:26,990 --> 02:04:23,940
the patience I don't have the effort and

2953
02:04:28,609 --> 02:04:27,000
if I look back like if I had not done

2954
02:04:30,109 --> 02:04:28,619
that kind of thing back then because

2955
02:04:32,629 --> 02:04:30,119
social media

2956
02:04:34,910 --> 02:04:32,639
it's it's very divisive it's meant to

2957
02:04:37,270 --> 02:04:34,920
put you into a pressure cooker with the

2958
02:04:41,089 --> 02:04:37,280
most opposite opposing ideas as possible

2959
02:04:42,350 --> 02:04:41,099
and then it's it gets you engaged and

2960
02:04:43,729 --> 02:04:42,360
the whole purpose of it is that you're

2961
02:04:46,070 --> 02:04:43,739
just going to keep scrolling through and

2962
02:04:48,589 --> 02:04:46,080
keep seeing that right so

2963
02:04:50,629 --> 02:04:48,599
I'm like which is great for my industry

2964
02:04:51,890 --> 02:04:50,639
because of like hey that's that's what I

2965
02:04:55,750 --> 02:04:51,900
do

2966
02:05:00,890 --> 02:04:55,760
but I could like cure cancer or you know

2967
02:05:02,689 --> 02:05:00,900
invented a new Netflix I could have what

2968
02:05:04,790 --> 02:05:02,699
could I have done with that time

2969
02:05:06,350 --> 02:05:04,800
probably done more shows done more

2970
02:05:08,990 --> 02:05:06,360
content done more you know whatever

2971
02:05:11,649 --> 02:05:09,000
instead of acting

2972
02:05:15,290 --> 02:05:11,659
I digress the long story of it is

2973
02:05:18,609 --> 02:05:15,300
hilarious times I still look back at

2974
02:05:23,209 --> 02:05:21,470
maybe for the Hunters episode that would

2975
02:05:27,109 --> 02:05:23,219
be a fun rematch

2976
02:05:30,050 --> 02:05:27,119
oh oh God that's this we could yeah we

2977
02:05:32,450 --> 02:05:30,060
could do like a roast or something when

2978
02:05:35,990 --> 02:05:32,460
I'm still figuring out the upper like

2979
02:05:38,270 --> 02:05:36,000
the the patreon uh considering

2980
02:05:40,850 --> 02:05:38,280
the people who have been supporting for

2981
02:05:43,070 --> 02:05:40,860
a very long time and and uh you know

2982
02:05:45,169 --> 02:05:43,080
Ellen our old Den mother who is watching

2983
02:05:48,530 --> 02:05:45,179
the show again and she's uh supporting

2984
02:05:52,030 --> 02:05:48,540
we or you're still on patreon I I it's

2985
02:05:55,550 --> 02:05:52,040
still there so you can go check that out

2986
02:05:58,310 --> 02:05:55,560
the old episodes at some point in audio

2987
02:05:59,810 --> 02:05:58,320
and video format I'm going to release

2988
02:06:04,910 --> 02:05:59,820
that

2989
02:06:08,390 --> 02:06:07,010
the tone is drastically different you

2990
02:06:11,450 --> 02:06:08,400
can tell the shift at one point or

2991
02:06:14,149 --> 02:06:11,460
another as far as when I'm just like wow

2992
02:06:16,850 --> 02:06:14,159
this was the most amazing thing ever

2993
02:06:19,370 --> 02:06:16,860
we're gonna find Atlantis to

2994
02:06:20,330 --> 02:06:19,380
my never meet your Heroes I'll put it

2995
02:06:21,410 --> 02:06:20,340
that way especially when it comes to

2996
02:06:22,629 --> 02:06:21,420
apology

2997
02:06:28,490 --> 02:06:22,639
yeah

2998
02:06:30,290 --> 02:06:28,500
this total shift and it you know there's

2999
02:06:32,209 --> 02:06:30,300
things that you don't necessarily want

3000
02:06:33,950 --> 02:06:32,219
to be seen unless you the people like I

3001
02:06:36,530 --> 02:06:33,960
really got to see this and sometimes

3002
02:06:37,910 --> 02:06:36,540
it's entertaining I get it well I'm it's

3003
02:06:39,370 --> 02:06:37,920
more you Denver you were there for some

3004
02:06:42,470 --> 02:06:39,380
I'm talking more yeah

3005
02:06:44,330 --> 02:06:42,480
and there was a shift but it goes back

3006
02:06:46,189 --> 02:06:44,340
to what we're saying like

3007
02:06:48,470 --> 02:06:46,199
nowadays you just got as long as you

3008
02:06:51,530 --> 02:06:48,480
keep it fun you know you're going well

3009
02:06:55,689 --> 02:06:51,540
now I don't care it's like it's yeah say

3010
02:07:01,129 --> 02:06:58,910
like five and I get to bed by ten so I

3011
02:07:02,629 --> 02:07:01,139
can wake up and go to work you do what

3012
02:07:03,950 --> 02:07:02,639
you need to do I'm gonna take care of my

3013
02:07:07,729 --> 02:07:03,960
thing you know that that's that's my

3014
02:07:10,310 --> 02:07:07,739
attitude now the effort is not there

3015
02:07:12,229 --> 02:07:10,320
like but being able to reconnect like

3016
02:07:15,589 --> 02:07:12,239
reconnect with old friends

3017
02:07:18,890 --> 02:07:15,599
see where the subjects have gone over

3018
02:07:20,570 --> 02:07:18,900
the last couple of years and just as I

3019
02:07:22,550 --> 02:07:20,580
said just got to learn some cool [\h__\h]

3020
02:07:26,570 --> 02:07:22,560
which has always been our tagline and

3021
02:07:29,810 --> 02:07:26,580
our motto so I'm going to sign uh sign

3022
02:07:32,270 --> 02:07:29,820
off and wish I do to and which is a a

3023
02:07:34,310 --> 02:07:32,280
good evening or goodbye to all those out

3024
02:07:36,530 --> 02:07:34,320
there for you know French speaking or

3025
02:07:37,750 --> 02:07:36,540
francophones in the audience I hope you

3026
02:07:40,370 --> 02:07:37,760
have yourselves a wonderful afternoon

3027
02:07:42,050 --> 02:07:40,380
Ross next week I have not announced the

3028
02:07:43,910 --> 02:07:42,060
rest of the lineup until we're actually

3029
02:07:47,810 --> 02:07:43,920
booked until May

3030
02:07:49,669 --> 02:07:47,820
wow we got some interesting names coming

3031
02:07:53,510 --> 02:07:49,679
up so you're gonna love this we're gonna

3032
02:07:56,510 --> 02:07:53,520
be going into some technology some AI

3033
02:07:58,310 --> 02:07:56,520
some productivity and touching more

3034
02:08:01,370 --> 02:07:58,320
again we're always going to have that

3035
02:08:04,310 --> 02:08:01,380
fun little twist of like you know we'll

3036
02:08:06,589 --> 02:08:04,320
you know is this AI assistant for

3037
02:08:08,870 --> 02:08:06,599
notepad going to somehow take over the

3038
02:08:11,390 --> 02:08:08,880
world with the non-wink because that's

3039
02:08:12,649 --> 02:08:11,400
the tone now we gotta have fun so we're

3040
02:08:15,589 --> 02:08:12,659
gonna have fun

3041
02:08:17,209 --> 02:08:15,599
um good night Denver thank you so much

3042
02:08:18,770 --> 02:08:17,219
for being a good sport and for taking

3043
02:08:19,850 --> 02:08:18,780
the time I thought it'd be about the

3044
02:08:21,770 --> 02:08:19,860
same time there you're on the west coast

3045
02:08:23,570 --> 02:08:21,780
so it's like only eight o'clock or nine

3046
02:08:26,030 --> 02:08:23,580
o'clock there I hope yeah nine o'clock

3047
02:08:29,270 --> 02:08:26,040
not bad grab a beer give my best to the